~Edmonton Colder Than Carbonite list Ideas!

We need a specific thread for this I think.

I've been jigging, and re-jigging my list so much, but I think I've settled on the perfect amount of balance:

Combined Army
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Group 1 10 0 0
ANATHEMATIC Lieutenant Plasma Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, Monofilament CCW. (82)
UMBRA LEGATE Hacker (Hacking Device Plus) Boarding Shotgun, Flash Pulse / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 43)
CORAX HASHT Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 34)
KURGAT Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (17)
MORAT (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (15)
SURYAT HMG / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 46)
MAAKREP TRACKER MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 33)
IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (9)
IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (9)
R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (8)

Group 2 1 0 0
ÍMETRON Electric Pulse. (4)

5.5 SWC | 300 Points

So, we got:
SPECIALISTS: 4
-Hacker plus/cc monster
-specialist, while a bit slow is packing a spitfire, a rare occurrence!
-engineer. oh brave morat monkey!
-FO monkey morat. cheap, and effective. wip 13 isnt too terrible, compared to unidrons (12)

LIEUTENANT
-TO camo assassin/death machine lt (with mnemonica, so no cares if he dies)

HEAVY HITTER
- Suryats are bs 13, arm 4, 2 wounds. And brave af. As HMG platforms go, not too bad.

SNIPER
-was on the fence on this one, but I really need some of that sweet sweet MSV 2, and an automedkit really helps if you plop a sniper in a tower that your doctor/medics could never get to (not that i am taking one )

CHEERLEADERS
-2 ikadrons: baggage, repeater, 6-2 mov, whats not to like.
-Rdrone. Faster repeater without the flamers and baggage. but one point cheaper!
-Imetron. I know, he's in a second group. But I had 4 points left, and once I start losing orders, (if he survived the drop and the enemy) I can push him over to my main group (not like I use my command tokens)

Thoughts, feelings, vitriol?

I think it's pretty good but you'll have to play me to test it out. My only real gripe is that you can't use hidden deployment with your Anathematic which isn't a huge deal but that is one less tool. Also model count is a bit low and the specialists are a bit squishy but most of the time they are anyway.

I'll post mine when I get a chance.

is 10 orders with a spare order, especially with 2 tubbies and a cc/hacker sith lord too few? Ive been finding one or two guys carry my games with cheerleader backup.

I could run a whole pile of morat vanguard and unidrons...

I also dont want to paint a whole slew of extra figs :p

Wimp. Here's mine:

Nomads
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Group 1 10 0 0
MOBILE BRIGADA MULTI Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (39)
INTRUDER HMG, Grenades / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 42)
SPEKTR (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (32)
INTERVENTOR Hacker (Hacking Device Plus) Boarding Shotgun, 1 FastPanda / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
TSYKLON Spitfire, Marker / Electric Pulse. (1 | 33)
TOMCAT Engineer Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (22)
TOMCAT Doctor Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower + 1 Zondcat / Pistol, Knife. (26)
ZONDCAT Electric Pulse. (4)
ALGUACIL (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (12)
ALGUACIL (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (12)
ALGUACIL Missile Launcher / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 15)

Group 2 2 0 0
HELLCAT Hacker (Assault Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 28)
SALYUT (EVO Repeater) Electric Pulse. (0.5 | 13)

5.5 SWC | 300 Points

Open with Army 5

you... you have almost the same list. HMG, hacker, specialists (though you have a few extras), but my tubbies are... well, tubbier.

and you have one extra order. While your army is more "hacky", its not tough, no big lynchpin dudes. Not that you need that, but thats kinda how Combined roll.

I could drop the anathematic and add in more specialists and hackers...

but then no invisible stab/death robot.

The biggest problem I see Ian already mentioned. If you get stuck wasting orders (say camo spam), or somoene is clever enough to gib your cheerleaders you are going to suffer. But thats like every list minus spam lists which are dumb.

How do you find Corax? I'm really liking the Rasail which I'm thinking plays similar but with a free chaska goober to boot!

I like hasht! He's an awesome fig with cool Lore, and in game, its nice to have a specialist w/ spitfire and constant cover. makes him good for moving around, crushing face.

Yeah, any cheerleader army will suffer from losing one's cheerleaders. But thats the negative of such a list i guess. I'll have to run some more test lists and see. Brian and I will be down thursday night at the den doing some testing, around 630, feel free to come out.

possible second list...
Morat Aggression Force
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Group 1 10 0 1
SURYAT Lieutenant HMG / Pistol, CCW. (2 | 46)
SOGARAT Feuerbach / Assault Pistol, AP CCW. (1.5 | 57)
KURGAT Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (17)
MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (23)
MORAT Hacker (EI Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 22)
MORAT (Forward Observer) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (15)
MORAT K1 Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1 | 21)
IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (9)
IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (9)
DĀTURAZI Combi Rifle, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Shock CCW. (21)

Group 2 2 2 3
OZNAT Combi Rifle + Light Smoke Grenade Launcher / Pistol, Shock CCW. (20)
PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (7)
PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (7)
Q-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)

6 SWC | 300 Points

More bodies, more armor, more guns!

I'd love to get more regular games in but weekdays are almost impossible. Once it gets nicer might commit to something regular.

No doctor in the first list? Doesn't that close off two classifieds?

This is the list I would have brought if I could go.

Tohaa - Tohaa Tournament V1 (299/300 | 6/6)

Group #1 | 10 Models | 10 0 4

Kumotail Doctor+Engineer | Combi Rifle, Pistol / D-Charges, Knife (22)
Gao-Rael Spitfire | Spitfire, Pistol / CCW (36)
Neema Lieutenant | Lieutenant, Combi Rifle, Light Rocket Launcher, Nanopulser, Pistol / CCW (42)
Sakiel Viral | Viral Combi Rifle, Swarm Grenades, Pistol / Knife (26)
Hatail Aelis Keesan K1 Combi | K1 Combi Rifle, Nanopulser, Flash Pulse, Pistol / D-Charges, Knife (32)
Makaul HFT | Heavy Flamethrower, Zero-V Smoke Grenades, Pistol / Viral CCW (13)
Rasail Spitfire | Spitfire, Pistol / Knife (2 | 42)
Chaksa Peripheral | Heavy Flamethrower, Pistol / Knife
Kamael Sniper Rifle | Sniper Rifle, Pistol / Knife (15)
Gao-Rael Sniper Rifle | Sniper Rifle, Pistol / CCW (33)
Makaul HFT | Heavy Flamethrower, Zero-V Smoke Grenades, Pistol / Viral CCW (13)

Group #2 | 1 Models | 1 0 0

Clipsos Observer | Forward Observer, Combi Rifle, Antipersonnel Mines, Pistol / Knife (25)

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Paz wrote:you... you have almost the same list. HMG, hacker, specialists (though you have a few extras), but my tubbies are... well, tubbier.

and you have one extra order. While your army is more "hacky", its not tough, no big lynchpin dudes. Not that you need that, but thats kinda how Combined roll.

I could drop the anathematic and add in more specialists and hackers...

but then no invisible stab/death robot.

Yes, only one more order, but its come up big for me a couple times against Brian. I also see not having a linchpin as a good thing. I don't have anything I can lose that would be entirely detrimental to my game, and I have so many specialists it's easy to get objectives which is really what Infinity is all about.

Tom: Now thats a nice list. Lots of special weapons, specialists, the whole nine yards.

ian: I do agree, its safer to run without a tubby. But then again, I was never one for safe infinity

Okay, taking your guy's advice, here's a non-tubby list with lots of specialists

Combined Army
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Group 1 10 0 0
SKIÁVORO Lieutenant Plasma Rifle, Nanopulser / Pistol, CCW. (52)
MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (23)
M-DRONE Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (17)
KURGAT Boarding Shotgun, D-Charges, Antipersonnel Mines / Pistol, Knife. (17)
UMBRA LEGATE Hacker (Hacking Device Plus) Boarding Shotgun, Flash Pulse / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 43)
CORAX HASHT Spitfire / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 34)
MAAKREP TRACKER MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 33)
IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (9)
IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (9)
MORAT Hacker (EI Hacking Device) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 22)

Group 2 3 1 1
Q-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
ÍMETRON Electric Pulse. (4)
ÍMETRON Electric Pulse. (4)
PRETA Chain Rifle / AP CCW. (7)

5 SWC | 300 Points

Thats 6 specialists, including Doctor/engineer, engineer, hacker , hacker, specialist (hasht), forward observer.

Its also got a total reaction HMG, and some imetrons pumping orders into a scary preta.

Any better?

Also, looking at the missions, it looks like 2/4 is where you want lots of specialists, not so important for things like transmission and supremacy, where tubbies will get that for you (and baggage, which i have access to, woohoo)

Transmission Matrix
-control areas, baggage counts for extra 20 pts, each game round.
POINTS

Supremacy
-control more 'zones' than the other player, each game round. baggage again
POINTS

Highly Classified
-4 classified, open info, shared. Important to have specialists for.

Nimbus Zone
-camo or TO camo specialists best here, and fast movers. Msv not so good.

If highly classified is a mission I would certainly want a doctor in my list (actually one of each specialist). Retroenginner and the heal a model classified could both be the primary which you straight up couldn't do (nor can you replace primary ones with secure the HVT) as both require a "doctor" IIRC.

Tom- I added worm doctor in, hes a doctor/engineer, and 6-4 mov, so not bad.

sadly he is medium base, so cant enter most buildings or small spaces...

I like that list better. Much more flexible.

Only bummer is having the doctor and engineer being the same model. He's really good but when he's gone you lose, essentially, two specialists. Do you have G: Servants you can squeeze on to keep him protected?

I dont, no. But the kurgat is an engineer, so only losing doctor. Though honestly im not gunna try and fit in doubles of all specialists. Besides being almost impossible for combined, it would cripple me in any firefight.

Missed the other engineer. You should be fine then you would think, in terms of specialists. I'm wondering now if I should have an actual second list with some tubbies for the zone controlling.

GingerBalls wrote:Missed the other engineer. You should be fine then you would think, in terms of specialists. I'm wondering now if I should have an actual second list with some tubbies for the zone controlling.

Thats exactly what I'm thinking. A TO sphinx would be the best at controlling a zone... but then I might lose other ones with cheaper units...

So many options! I think ill have this list as my primary, then an additional list with lots of med-infantry to contest and hold zones.

My list seemed to do ok against Brian controlling zones but against so much HI it was a struggle. You had to destroy them or just hope they weren't spread out.

I'm thinking blowing the dust of my Iguana (not a euphemism) might be a good idea. Fast, lots of points, survivable, and a repeater for extra control.

somehow I completely missed the new list. I like it a lot better. Like you said no invisible murder machine, but much better on objectives.

Potential list for the tubbs:

Nomads
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Group 1 10 0 0
IGUANA HMG, Heavy Flamethrower / . (2 | 71)
MOBILE BRIGADA Lieutenant MULTI Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (39)
INTRUDER (X-Visor) MULTI Sniper Rifle / Pistol, CCW. (1.5 | 43)
INTERVENTOR Hacker (Hacking Device Plus) Boarding Shotgun, 1 FastPanda / Pistol, Knife. (0.5 | 26)
TSYKLON Spitfire, Marker / Electric Pulse. (1 | 33)
TOMCAT Engineer Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (22)
TOMCAT Doctor Combi Rifle + Light Flamethrower / Pistol, Knife. (22)
ALGUACIL (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (12)
ALGUACIL (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (12)
ALGUACIL (Forward Observer, Deployable Repeater) Combi Rifle / Pistol, Knife. (12)

Group 2 1 0 0
SALYUT (Minesweeper) Electric Pulse. (8)

5 SWC | 300 Points

Open with Army 5

do you have any baggage remotes? Baggage is the best for the first two missions, my little 9 point ikadrons count as 29 pts :p

Salyuts are my baggage remotes.