Play-off Scenarios

Mission 3, Relic half. I don't think GW has addressed this little bit of silly just yet.

Squad moves up, claims the relic, then embarks on a Night Scythe. Next round, the Scythe auto crashes due to flier rules, but the Night Scythe's rules toss the occupants into reserves. Does the Relic walk back on the board with the embarked unit next turn? Not saying I'm planning on doing this by any means, but GW and their crazy conflicting/synergising rules, ya know?

Planes wrote:Mission 3, Relic half. I don't think GW has addressed this little bit of silly just yet.

Squad moves up, claims the relic, then embarks on a Night Scythe. Next round, the Scythe auto crashes due to flier rules, but the Night Scythe's rules toss the occupants into reserves. Does the Relic walk back on the board with the embarked unit next turn? Not saying I'm planning on doing this by any means, but GW and their crazy conflicting/synergising rules, ya know?

Relic would crash with the Scythe.

Edit: What you do is, grab it with Trazyn, get on a surf-board, move 6" and Turbo-boost 6"

I would assume one of 2 things.

1) they auto drop it.

2) you cannot embark the relic in a zooming flyer.

The relic cannot be moved futher than 6" in a phase, so it cannot be put in a flier or it is automaticaly dropped ie squad has relic moves 6 in move phase- still has relic, squad runs 1 to 6 in shooting phase- squad has relic, squad jumps into transport- yells at driver to take it slow or relic falls out, squad jumps into flying transport and zooms - crap we forgot the relic

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Model cannot run with relic, and mark is correct about zoom crash and burn with relic

Roland wrote:
2) you cannot embark the relic in a zooming flyer.

You can, it's just a bad idea. It's covered somewhere (FAQ or Book) I remember reading it :-) (You can embark on a flyer, but it'll be destroyed next turn! -- Complete with the GW "!" -- I imagine Mat Ward saying, "It'll blow chaps" and Jervis replying "Right-O, that's a cracking bad plan.")

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A model with the Relic can embark a Transport vehicle, but that vehicle cannot move more than 6" per phase whilst the Relic is on board (so don't put it on a Flyer, as the Flyer will automatically crash next
time it Zooms).

Does the nightscythe put them automatically into reserve? If so I would assume they drop it where they embarked, so no crashy scythe

That's the whole thing, though. You CAN get it into the Scythe, and it WILL automatically crash it at the start of next turn. The mission description says so. However, the move into the transport, being perfectly legal, puts it into the domain of the Night Scythe's rules for crashing, only throwing the contents into reserve upon it's demise.

The only thing that forces the Relic to drop, as per the rules of the mission, is the death of the carrying model (note that a model carries it, not the unit as a whole, great target for precision shots). There is no telling the driver to "take it slow", as the Relic enforces it's own maximum speed of movement. The Night Scythe, upon destruction, doesn't move it, though. It removes it. The Relic simply becomes absent from the field.

For example, as the rules are currently laid out:

Top of 2: Night Scythe flies 24" onto the field, Warriors/Immortals disembark directly onto the Relic and claim it. Somehow they withstand a round of dedicated hate directed at them.
Top of 3: Warriors/Immortals + Relic embark the Night Scythe and try to move 18" forward, but run into the 6" wall established by the Relic (namely, 5" used to embark, 1" movement of flier), Night Scythe crashes and burns. Night Scythe's special ruling on it's transport capacity (C:Necrons, p.51) throws the Warriors/Immortals into reserve, including the model that was carrying the Relic.
Top of 4: Warriors/Immortals walk back onto the board, including the model carrying the Relic.

RAI? Hells no. RAW?

And..... this is why we're gonna have to make local ruling on stuff like this. I understand its RAW, but....

I have the WD that started the whole RAW/RAI agrument. It actually doesn't say "apply RAW in all cases". Its says "USE COMMON SENSE, if there is still a disagreement apply RAW, if there is still a disagreement, roll off and get on with your game."

Does anyone remember what started the whole argument? I do. The old WD Blood Angel codex? Guess what was missing from the Rhinos?

In this case I'd say the Relics rule is iron clad "The Relic CANNOT move more than 6" a phase." If it is placed in reserve from the crashsite, is it more than 6" away from the crashsite?

The common sense answer is allowing this is blatantly unfair, and anyone who tries it deserves to have a old skool Bloodthirster shoved where the sun don't shine..... Not sayin' anyone would.

Like I said back at the start, I have no ambition on doing this. Heck, I have to get through mission one to even hope to get through mission two to eye up mission three. It's been one of those nagging things about Relic that's been sitting on the back burner of my mind for some time, and being the 3rd mission and all presented a prime time to throw it out there. Truth me told, I'm probably more inclided to try to purge the enemy's home base of resistance and barf my Warrior blob out there, yielding 7 points (my base, their base, line breaker) than even bothering with the mid field objective.

What makes this thing so curious, though, is that the involvement of re-entering reserves has so many non-values. Reserves have no physical location, thus impossible to measure to or from, because they are no where. When the crash happens, the Relic goes from somewhere (the Night Scythe) to no where (Reserves), and the subsequent turn they go from no where (Reserves) to somewhere (Necron's table edge).

I can't remember off hand, but did they ever resolve what happens if a model carrying the Relic is in a unit that breaks and runs off the board? So long as their longest retreat distance was only 6", they wouldn't drop it, and then we're back to non-places.

do which beau; try the move on the relic, or make a bloodthirster catheter? cause i can think of a few that would do the latter. hell, im sure dan and i, and most of our co-workers would do that to one of our 'guests' this week lol

Wasn't saying you would Tom. It's a legit question but you are being too literal.

1) if the unit with the relic falls back, they auto drop it.

It doesn't matter if they are "nowhere". The relic can only move 6"a phase. It moved 6" in the move phase causing the flyer to crash. IT IS OVER BURDENED. And cannot move further than phase. If forced to move further, it is dropped.

Mike, I meant I didn't think anyone here would try to pull said move.

Just wanted to get a ruling on that out there before it blasted in out of nowhere in the middle of a playoffs final or a tourney. I'll have to harass GW about it sometime this week when I get a moment.