Psychic Focus

So a TZ herald is selecting spells

He selects all of his spells from Div and so gets the primaris spell  Prescience.  since he is a tz mark, he also automatically gets the primaris for TZ powers.... does this then take away his Div Primaris due to the Psychic focus rules?

...No prescience for any marked chaos sorcerers ever?

FU gdubs.

I'm pretty sure you can still exchange for the primaris. Psychic focus is just a free spell so your ml3 can know 4 spells.

Confirmed, you can still swap for the primaris. Focus just gives it to you for free.

Rhaevyn wrote:So a TZ herald is selecting spells

He selects all of his spells from Div and so gets the primaris spell  Prescience.  since he is a tz mark, he also automatically gets the primaris for TZ powers.... does this then take away his Div Primaris due to the Psychic focus rules?

...No prescience for any marked chaos sorcerers ever?

FU gdubs.

i think generating a psychic power is rolling on one of the tables , otherwise the sorcerers could count the free csm primaris as one of the ones that he has to have for that stupid csm rule.

Take an unmarked sorceror, done

Roland wrote:Take an unmarked sorceror, done

doesn't work for Demon princes though

Roland wrote:Take an unmarked sorceror, done

it would also help 1 k sons units since they have to take a stupid uselees power as it is now

Gulsnick wrote:

Roland wrote:Take an unmarked sorceror, done

doesn't work for Demon princes though

Price of freedom.

I'm working strictly on CSM here, cuz Daemon wise, I'm a Khorney kind of guy.

If you take a Mark, its a moot point. You have to generate at least one power from the Marked discipline, hence you can't take all book powers. But you can only take 1/2 max from your discipline, so unless you are ML1, they won't all be from a single discipline. This is the obvious reason they put the Chaos Psychic Focus rule in in the first place.

Daemons work the same. You'd need a daemon psyker without a mark. (Belakor?)

This all seems pretty reasonable to me.

And Belakor would already have his primaris anyway from knowing all of that discipline.

can always trade for a primaris you want. csm doesn't get screwed per se.
they get the same number of spells as non-chaos. they just get forced into certain spells.

I'm not as upset as i was before

it realy depends what generate means

option a
mark causes you to generate the primaris power of the god , then it counts towards the " have to generate 1 power rule", but then you don't get the primaris power for generating all your powers from one list bonus.

option b
you just get the CSM primaris power witch does not count towards the " have to generate 1 power rule", but you then get the primaris power from a discipline if you generate all powers from the discipline .

ps: after rereading it i think it works like option a

I like option c

You roll on the table of your god to generate powers as required (1 or 2), you get the primaris for free. You may then roll on other trees as normal.

Lore Weaver wrote:I like option c

You roll on the table of your god to generate powers as required (1 or 2), you get the primaris for free.  You may then roll on other trees as normal.

well i don't think that option is in question , you just wouldn't get the free "non CSM" primaris power

I read that as "marekd daemons can't use the focus rule" so no primaris powers other than your own mark's. Correct?

I think, if you're marked, option C is your only option.

(Ian, you can still swap for the primaris, just don't auto get it if you roll on more than one discipline)

Lore Weaver wrote:I think, if you're marked, option C is your only option.

(Ian, you can still swap for the primaris, just don't auto get it if you roll on more than one discipline)

So marked daemons cannot have two primaris powers?

They can, they just don't get the second for free.

Ie: a daemon of tzeentch rolls on divination, gets Perfect Timing, and swaps it for Prescience. Because it's a daemon of tzeentch, it automatically gets the tzentch primaris. As a result, it has two primaris powers, but nothing else.

Ok, so basically marked daemons can't benefit from psychic focus. Got it.

They get their god's primaris for free, then if they roll on another table, they can swap for the primaris.

Eg: Daemon Prince of Tzeentch from CSM, gets Tzeentch's Firestorm for free, rolls on Tzeentch, gets Doombolt, rolls on Biomancy, trades Haemorragh for Smite, rolls on Biomancy, keeps Life Leech.

Flies around blowing up the universe.

Lore Weaver wrote:They get their god's primaris for free, then if they roll on another table, they can swap for the primaris.

Eg: Daemon Prince of Tzeentch from CSM, gets Tzeentch's Firestorm for free, rolls on Tzeentch, gets Doombolt, rolls on Biomancy, trades Haemorragh for Smite, rolls on Biomancy, keeps Life Leech.

Flies around blowing up the universe.

You're on a roll for ignoring posts today, Mark!

Planes wrote:They can, they just don't get the second for free.

Ie: a daemon of tzeentch rolls on divination, gets Perfect Timing, and swaps it for Prescience. Because it's a daemon of tzeentch, it automatically gets the tzentch primaris. As a result, it has two primaris powers, but nothing else.

Lore Weaver wrote:I think, if you're marked, option C is your only option.

(Ian, you can still swap for the primaris, just don't auto get it if you roll on more than one discipline)

yeah i think you are right .

unmarked for me

the BRB states that marked demons/sorcerers automatically gain their demon mark's primaris power. 
pink horrors are ML1. 
the same page that says the chaos psychic focus description, states the psyker knows a number of psychic powers equal to his mastery level.
therefore, pink horrors should only be able to know the Tzeentch Primaris power.  should they not?

i mean if they have to automatically take the primaris....they cant roll for anything else, because they've just learned their cap of learn-able powers.  so they cant roll for any of the daemonology powers, like Summoning, Sacrifice, Incursion, or Possession.

dusktiger wrote:the BRB states that marked demons/sorcerers automatically gain their demon mark's primaris power. 
pink horrors are ML1. 
the same page that says the chaos psychic focus description, states the psyker knows a number of psychic powers equal to his mastery level.
therefore, pink horrors should only be able to know the Tzeentch Primaris power.  should they not?

i mean if they have to automatically take the primaris....they cant roll for anything else, because they've just learned their cap of learn-able powers.  so they cant roll for any of the daemonology powers, like Summoning, Sacrifice, Incursion, or Possession.

it is in addition to any powers they know. basically they don't get the "free" primaris for focus because they already got a "free" one from their deity specific table.

i dunno; they bold that same line themselves in the BRB.  i would think the horrors aren't meant to be able to roll for any powers; they just automatically get the Tzeentch primaris.

dusktiger wrote:i dunno; they bold that same line themselves in the BRB.  i would think the horrors aren't meant to be able to roll for any powers; they just automatically get the Tzeentch primaris.

"If a Psyker has a Mark of Chaos or is a Daemon of a particular Chaos God (see Codex: Chaos Space marines or Codex: Chaos Daemons), that model automatically knows the primaris power of the discipline that corresponds to their patron deity, in addition to any other powers it knows." (emphasis mine)

That last line indicates to me the following.

1) All marked/demon psykers automatically know the correct primaris.

2) They generate the rest of the powers as normal. (since horrors are ML1 they would generate another power which can be from any table they have access to).

3) Since they have the primaris power from their patron table they cannot benefit from focus on it, nor can they benefit from focus on another table because they have the primaris from the patron table already.