Grey knights are out for preorder!

Very nice, all sets have tons of bits and are interchangeable with several codex entries...
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat440160a

System Commander wrote:Thank god I finally got some decent pictures.. I think my head was going to explode.

Im a bit dissapointed they dont have a Castellan Crowe or Jokaero up yet.. Draigo is cool but I find really basic.. considering the ass kicker he is. That being said, Mephiston is the same way and I dont like his mini at all.

The options all laid out in the power armour and terminator boxes is nice. Psilencer, 2 psycannons and an incinerator. Im really surprised about them throwing 2 in there.. but I think they realize that psycannons are going to be everywhere in the army so might as well supply what people are going to want.

I dont have any words for the Dreadknight. They look awesome.. however.. it would of been nice to see maybe a little more protection for the driver. These are meant to be fighting Greater Demons.. they should be armoured up to protect the driver.. for pets sake dude, .. your fighting Greater Unclean Ones and you dont have a helmet on!

Fighting greater demon with a helmet is like riding a motor cycle at over a 100k with a helmet. Like seriously who does that.... Or maybe the dread knight just wants to phyc out the greater demon. Is the greater demon wearing a helmet. lol
Settle down "SC" if you look at the pics there is an option with a helmet.

They are supposed to be pyschicly force-fielded. So that Sh!t gets zapped!

Isn't our $ almost par now too? Damn pricing adjustments, get with the now!

Good to see you excited about 40k again!

And we even have Timbo visting and posting on the site again!

Plus: all plastic, all options included, models are beautiful (as expected after Space Wolves, and Blood Angels)

Minus: $33 US for a box of 5? I was expecting closer to $25. Minor quibble. Making the Force Halbred an upgrade (albeit 5pt to make them I6) effectively makes all old GKPA, if not ineffecient, pigeon-holed. GKTA not as bad. I fully expect to buy at least a box of each, if only to make some of the newer choices.

As far as the prices (in CDN) I've found after shipping, and whatnot, basically it's a wash. Sure you can save 20% online, or 30% from some stores in Canada, but unless you order a lot at once, you're usually giving it right back in shipping. Free shipping from GW Canada just means you might as well buy local at the Den. When I was in the states and could have stuff shipped for $6 regardless of the size of the order it was a big savings, here not so much.

As Ryan said, teh DK has a super duper force field. The description in the leaked codex talks about that. Basically it would inhibit the movements of the Dk, with marginal protection, so a Force field supreme does the job.

Pretty cool, but none of it suprising.

Hey, thanks for noticing! I've been getting the 40K itch again. Is there some sort of salve for that? I work almost all nights, but I'd be looking at setting up an afternoon game or two. What's the default size these days. Please don't say 2000...

It kinda seems to be.. umm.. around.. umm.. 2000?

There's been an escalation league and campaign going on. I think they both top-off at 2000pts.

Ah, I guess that's cool for an escalation league. I always thought the game worked best at around 1500-1750 points. I found at the larger sizes the tables got too cluttered and the maneuver element of the game was lessened. Although it definitely switches the balance a bit. Do you guys find some army lists get stronger or weaker with the addition of more points? Armies like space marines with solid troops and lots of options remain relatively unaffected by size changes, however I would expect armies where troops are only taken because well, you have to take some (Tau, Necrons, Eldar) may suffer even more. Although I always understand the attraction of playing with "more stuff".

Getting threadjacky here..

I think a lot of the 'newer' books greatly benefit from higher points levels. (not sure on DE though). When you start being able to almost 'abuse' redundency, like you could with IG for example, 3 tanks/vendetta's/sentinals/etc. per FO spot. BA vehicle spams, SW character heavy, etc..

IMO Guard, BA, SW scale up very well. Like you said Marines are pretty standard.

Off Topic: Agreed with the upscale, I'd add Orks to the list. After playing Tyson's Dark Eldar @1500, 2000 would scale very well. I think 1500 is the "sweet spot". Anything between 1000/2000 is playable. 'Ard Boyz (2500) is over the limit and broken (Leafblower)

Back on topic: Agreed on wanting the new stuff. At the very least I plan on getting 2 boxes of Grey Knight (to make purifiers, and purgation squad, and then use the teleporters on my existing GK to make a Interceptor squad), a box of Termie (to make Paladins) and a Dreadknight and eventually a Stormraven. But they aren't gonna stop selling them, so I'm not in a rush to get anything,

My army "ported" well, going from 1500 to 1425. After some moving around, it's back at 1500, and potentially all troops.

"Old"
Stern
7 Termies (1 Psy)
10 GKPA (1 Inc, 1 Psy)
10 GKPA (1 Inc, 1 Psy)
Dread (TL AC, Blessed, Smoke)
Land Raider (Blessed, Smoke)

"New"
Grand Master w/ Psybolts
5 Purifiers (3 Force Halbreds, 1 Inc, Psybolts)
7 Termies (1 Psy, 3 Force Halbreds, Psybolts)
10 Grey Knights (Strike Squad) (7 Force Halbreds, 1 Inc, 1 Psy, Psybolts)
5 Grey Knights (Interceptors) (3 Force Halbreds, 1 Psy, Psybolts)
Dread (TL AC, Psybolts)
Land Raider (Psybolts)

It's not optimized of course, but that a LOT of I6, S4 Power Weapons, and a LOT of Str 5 bolter shots. It's obviously gonna have issues with any real armor, but it's gonna be fun to crash into stuff.

Ya I'm working on a 2k list. Probably going to have 2 storm ravens, 2 troops with personal teleporters, 1 termy troops choice and a full squad of Purifiers, and the Best part is the HQ choice with Ghost termies (Just as long as they don't change the point cost in the final prof of the codex). BUT i have one question... What in the Hell is a P-silencer????????
Its a gun.... Ya okay But what does it do?????

New born is just 2 month and with her and the company keeping me Exhausted, I might talk to myself. lol

Armies with low points cost easily abuse the lower points totals, DE can almost comfortably take 3 ravagers at 1000pts, but are still limited to only 3 ravagers at 2000pts, as anyone who's played my Orks at 1000pts can tell you, I get lots of stuff for 1000pts.

2500pts is the upper limit of what I would ever play and even then it wouldn't be very comfortable as I have no room in my army to add extra units to my force org chart, at 2000pts my typical list takes 2 HQ, 3 ELITE, 5-6 TROOPS, 1-2 FAST, 3 HEAVY which basically means I'd be adding hundreds of points towards war gear or extra models for squads that in my opinion are already streamlined to maximize kills/unit cost.

Balance and tipping point this way and that way is a myth... like Thor it's cool to believe in but it's just not real. If you both play balanced friendly lists then the game is just as balanced at 1000pts as it is at 1500pts as it is at 2000pts. (Again elite armies suffer below 1000pts because of high individual model cost not being quite accurate... different discussion though) Personally I enjoy any game between 1000-2000pts, I don't feel like I over power anyone at 1000pts and get crushed at 2000pts or that my 1500pt games are any more balanced win/loss against certain armies or not. I'll defend 2000pts as my favorite game size however because I can build a competitive 1750pts list and use my remaining 250pts on something that might not be a competitive unit but it looks awesome on the table top because of it's sweet paint job/conversion work/uniqueness or whatever makes it a centerpiece model. Like my forgeworld mega dread, even though he had a decent game against mike last night, it's generally not worth the 200pts it costs, but 2000pts gives you that extra wiggle room to add some more fun to your work horse units.

Also holy thread jack! and Booooo Grey Knights and I didn't really finish this post I got bored writing it and walked away so I'm finishing it with this sentence.

Don't know if anyone noticed but if you go to the Grey Knights page they have the old metal Brother-Captain (from the old Termie set) avaliable for order and all the inquisitors (including the "limited edition" Gideon Lorr witchhunter inquisitor), among others...

1. The Dread Knight looks AWESOME!, it is making me considering finishing my inquisition army.

2. The tourney this weekend is 2000, but I highly considering making the next one 1500.