3100pt Apoc Game Marines vs Space Wolves

hey guys, played a 3000pt apoc game today, and managed to actually remember the camera and do a batrep!

this is my scorpions (a lot of stuff that's not painted over yet) vs Space Wolves:

My Deployment

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Space Wolves Deployment

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Turn 1 Results

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Turn 2 Results

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Turn 3 Results

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Turn 4 Results

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Turn 5 Results

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Turn 6 Results

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The video is a bit on the scratchy side, but I'm guessing you were filming and recording with your iPhone or blackberry? For one of those though, it was pretty damn good.

actually its done on a real camera, and the video quality in the original files is excellent; when i re-posted into YouTube, i re-sized down to 320x240, and that caused the graininess. that way it would post in 5 minutes, instead of 54 minutes per video.

I do have a question though.. this seems like a pretty bizarre apocalypse game. I didn't see any stratagems, Apocalypse units or any objectives. It seemed just like a regular 3100 point game.. ?

I've found that usually, formations are a waste of points; you take these takes and pay extra points to get a special rule for them, and then it only takes 1 to be blown up to lose that rule. IE, the vindicator formation; most people will only ever own 3 of these, but if you lose 1, they lose their super-shot. you need to field them in 4s or 5s to make the formation useful. several other formations are the same due to them adding a minimum unit clause to the special rule they gain for being a formation. and lets not get into the "joys" of squadrons, which several formations make your tanks into. just ask Dan how fun having your squads of tanks shot is.

all in all, for the cost i save in not taking them as a formation, i can usually field more units or wargear. that said, there's also a lack of good formations utilizing bikers and speeders, or in dan's case, grey hunters and wolf guard.

What was Dan doing in this game?? I'll have to give him a poke. He had no long range shooting at all.. 3100 points, he needs at least two units of longfangs. 2 landraiders cant help you out at 3100 points.. Did Njal get any powers going? And sending the Thunderwolves against the Dreads.. .. ! ? And what happened to half the thunderwolves after the first turn? You guys just sort of glazed on a bunch dissapeared.. those are some tough dudes to just dissapear.

He made this list all of 3 minutes before we started playing. so yea, there was a general lacking of thought into what's going to be best. He loaded up on the wrong type of special weapons on his grey hunters for what he was expecting me to field; he knows i like dreads and in apoc, i tend to field a few. He was actually expecting me to field the Hextad of the Ancients formation from IA:10. the 2 raiders are bad choices, yes, but he also chose crusaders because they can actually hold an IC and the number of wolf guard termies he wanted in each. Njal only managed living lightning (USELESS POWER!!!) and caused people to be -1 BS within 24" of him. yea, he was fail this time. The wolves "sorta" went after the dreads. it was more i was gonna charge next turn, so better to charge me first and make me lose my charging bonus. plus he had melta bombs on that unit, and not a damn thing else in his list apart from 2 thunderhammers on wolf guard were gonna pen the new dreads with FA13, SA12, RA11, and no double-dice rolls allowed. and had i remembered i had a 5++ in shooting and 6++ in combat, he'd of done even worse against them. if you ask him, he will tell you outright that the Contemptor Dreads are what made that game hell for him.

as for the wolves disappearing, that was to a barrage of Melta guns, Plasma Guns, alot of TL Bolters, and a couple Multimeltas. i got lucky on my rolls and did enough to wipe out 6 of the guys. and your right, they are toughness 5, wounds 2, but when you hit them with so many AP 2 and 1 weapons, and a Thunderfire Cannon barrage, they take wounds fast and they add up.

That video game review was a really cool idea. I havn't seen that before (well I have with stills but thats different).

And those Contemptor Dreads really did seem to take the whole table. What exactly are they over a regular dreadnaught? +1 S, 13AV front, and +1 I or something?

A codex dread gets 12 front and side armor, 10 for rear. He has str6, maxed to 10 due to CCW.
An ironclad bumps the armor to 13 front and side.

Contemptors make it 13 front 12 side 11 rear. Plus a 5+ invul to shooting attacks, a 6+ invul in melee, and do not allow 2D6 rolls to pen on them, and ignore the Lance rule. So your average krak grenade does nothing. Only squads equiped with melta bombs, powerfists, chainfists, and thunderhammers can hurt them in melee.
In shooting, this now means that against front armor, you must always roll 1d6 for meltas, and have to roll a 5 just to glance. And lascannons only get a 50/50 odds to do anything. Its not a nice dread to see, and its scary having a horde of them chase you down.

If I said interseyting battle id be lieing. And it probly was intresting, but half way thorough the frist vidio my ADD kicked in and i decided to do something else. Im probly gona skip depoyment vidios next time.

lmao. nice. ^5

Robyn, you missed the big Apoc game we ran to start things off. Dan vs Mike and me. 8000 pts a side. 2 Battle companies, Masters of the chapter, hextad of the ancients, an amoured spearhead, a linebreaker squadron, the terminator one where they are basically shot in on a missle?... oh and 2 fortresses of redemption and all the cityfight terrain we have down there. Pretty sweat, I think we have pics, somewhere. Oh and a nice video from where one of my landspeeders shrugged off a full turn of firepower from Dan's army.

dusktiger wrote:A codex dread gets 12 front and side armor, 10 for rear. He has str6, maxed to 10 due to CCW.
An ironclad bumps the armor to 13 front and side.

Contemptors make it 13 front 12 side 11 rear. Plus a 5+ invul to shooting attacks, a 6+ invul in melee, and do not allow 2D6 rolls to pen on them, and ignore the Lance rule. So your average krak grenade does nothing. Only squads equiped with melta bombs, powerfists, chainfists, and thunderhammers can hurt them in melee.
In shooting, this now means that against front armor, you must always roll 1d6 for meltas, and have to roll a 5 just to glance. And lascannons only get a 50/50 odds to do anything. Its not a nice dread to see, and its scary having a horde of them chase you down.

That sounds harder to take down than a monolith! whats the point cost on those things? 200 each or something?

@Robyn: Apoclypse is just a format for ignoring the Force Org chart and allowing the use of fancy models (like Baneblades and such). The book also happens to present optional rules of using exactly 6 objectives places in special areas; and allowing things like stratagems and formations.

so it can be 3000 points over Kill Point count, or 40 000 points over a single objective

175pts is the base cost so far for the contemptor

Cool, would you be up for 3000 of Red Scorpions vs my Khorne Warband; WYSIWYG, with lists; and I'll even roll other dice if you feel necessary

Not necessarily sometime soon, but I like breaking out my Hellhammer from time to time.

Possibly, but not anytime soon for me either; in between the games for our badab campaign, and attempting to paint my own army, da bear commissioned me to paint a thunderhawk for his space wolves, so my free timwe for other games has been limited. And now that I have these awesome new resin bases for my grey knight force, the thunderhawk is glaring at me with threats of "paint me first or I shall hellstrike missile your new bases"

Oh ya, between the tourney and school starting I have no time right now either for a game that long. I was wondring about in a month or two.