Battle this week

dusktiger wrote:Nah, that's ok; double or singles, I won't play against you until you bring dice that Darren sells, you bring your codex with you cause "I" haven't memorized the chaos codex, and neatly print out a list of your army telling me what your fieldings and on whom. And no shorthand; I don't understand all the shorthand for codex's I don't own. Otherwise I'm not playing another match against an all-proxy army again. And from what I hear, your eldar army isn't remotely friendly and casual either so I'm not playing against it. Just saying that's my stand on the matter cause I'd rather be honest than avoid you so no feelings are hurt.

I'm sorry if my playstyle has offended you. As for dice, I won't buy new dice since I like mine, but if you'd prefer me to roll yours I'd have no issue. As for the codex, I lost mine a long while back, but have given up on finding it, so I have bought a replacement. Army List I can do if you want ( I just almost always play the same list so its practically memorized). And Im not sure which models you mean exactly but I don't beleive Im playing a proxy army. And as for the eldar, my space elfs are much weaker and less consistent than Chaos Marines (The Game against Dom was won based off of how heavy weapons were deployed). Actually most of my lists run some very underated units cuz I simply like their idea (show me 2 other players whose Daemon Pinces arn't Sorcercer Princes).

I like playing this game. I'm not sure, but maybe my dice do roll better than average when they need to. And I hope people arn't just annoyed since I'm good at the game.

But I do not wish to offend my fellow players, and would like to fix whatever seems to be bothering everyone.

[quote="canadin"]

dusktiger wrote: And I hope people arn't just annoyed since I'm good at the game.

I think we may have found the problem.

[quote="Timbo"]

canadin wrote:

dusktiger wrote: And I hope people arn't just annoyed since I'm good at the game.

I think we may have found the problem.

I dunno, there are player's complaining that my dice are too good

"Whoosh"!!!

That's the sound of the 747 that just flew over your head Adam...

MORTHER =I=censor=I=
I WITH I GOT YOUR MESAGE SOONER ADEM I JEST SHOWED UP AT $ AT THE DEN WAITED AN HR BEFOR I LEFT

MOTHER =I=censor=I= pusl i have troble wakeing up in the moinings so that wouldhave worked out any way

i don't like talking rudely about people online, cause phrasing can easily be misinterpreted because you cant hear the person's tone of voice. But since it appears many are just too polite to outright say it plainly, and i'm not one to mind if people begrudge me for speaking honestly, i'm gonna say this.

People are annoyed because you have an attitude, adam. you come off as a pompous arrogant arse who's only here to power-play his way through games and isn't satisfied unless he goes full tilt against everyone. You never make any of your models WYSIWYG, and because you don't clearly state at the start of the game before units are deployed, or even bring a written list and a codex proving the rules are what you claim them to be, it appears you simply pull everything out of your arse and make things up as you go, claiming "I have it all memorized, and my list never changes."

When you place a rhino down with a pintle-mounted combi-bolter, and don't bother to tell your opponent "I've upgraded him to have a Combi-Melta" before you start the game, but instead only mention it when you're already 6" from a target so it'll get 2D6 Pen roll, that's not uber-sneaky, that's cheating.

When you field squads with flamers as the special weapon, but they're never flamers, they're plasma guns when you need anti-power armour, or melta guns when you need anti-tank, and don't have a written list stating you took them that way to begin with, your cheating and tayloring your list as the last minute. and if you're always fielding them as a plasmagun or melta gun, perhaps it's time to either remove that flamer and attach the actual weapon you claim it to be, or buy a box of marines and simply model them with the other special weapons so you can swap the models and at least be WYSIWYG.

The same goes for those heavy weapon models of yours where you randomly pick some heavy weapon model and say its really an autocannon. If your always fielding him wielding that, then either outfit him or convert him. and dont take the whole bloody barrel off a predator to do it; weapon ranges tend to be from the gun barrels, so lets keep the scale correct and not go longer than a lascannon barrel off a devastator, please. otherwise again, your cheating.

Your khornate chaos marines; ok, so you're using berserker models; because of the helms and pads im assuming. But since they need to have bolters modeled on them, where's the bolters? it's pretty easy just to give them bolters here and there. even if its just "strapped" on somewhere, or you cut off a pistol and glued a bolter in his hand instead. I've done that with Death Company and it works just fine; people know what it is and what it's fitted with at just a glance; there's no "sneakyness" there.

And yes, you do proxy. A lot. you're special weapons, your heavy weapons, your DP's. your Khornate Chaos Marine Squads. If you're not using an official model with the official weapons and wargear on the model, it's a proxy. that's what it means.

You can't seem to win unless you fall upon rookie players like you're clubbing baby seals, or you outright cheat with this "oh, that's not really what it's modeled as, it's really this" that you pull on the veteran players. And your dice seem to roll high numbers far too often. I've rarely seen 1's pop up on your dice. And i've never seen them pop up when you field Kharne the Betrayer. And given i can find your exact dice set in a loaded trick dice set on the internet that roll high or low numbers the majority of their rolls, I have doubts about your dice you love so much. And others have voiced the same thoughts when i ask them what they think.

Even the staff at the Den don't like you and actively tell people don't play against you becuase you're a jerk who plays to win and tries to either utterly crush newcomers until they give up and quit the hobby alltogether, or uses underhanded methods to win against the vets.

So what does that tell you about the way you behave and come across to other players? If you want to change for the better, do so. Don't just say your willing to change and make things right, but wont apologize because "i'm better at the game than everyone."

I'd happily play you in 40k man; if only you'd stop with the bullcrap underhanded tactics and fix that attitude problem of yours. Your not better than everyone, so work on your humility and gameplay, and for god's sake, encourage people to enjoy the game and enjoy playing you by not trying to beat the ever living crap out of their armies in as few turns as possible.

That's my piece, and it includes points i've heard brought up about you by people who've played you as well. If there's this much negativity surrounding you that the others are hiding just to be polite, then it's definitely a problem you should work on correcting. It sucks when people push others away and discourage people from playing games with them just because of stupid habits and attitudes they've built up. I've pointed out the worst ones, and i hope you can see what i'm talking about and fix them before it gets out of hand and someone gets upset about them. Last thing we need is some new kid, or a returning old timer, taking a swing at someone because they were a jerk in their game.

Oh man! I was gonna do this today but Dusktiger beat me to it. I don't want to pile on, but I'll agree with most of what has been said. When I played Adam, he provided no Codex or army list. Fortunately I had a working knowledge of the CSM book, but what if I hadn't? I'm just supposed to let him tell me what his stuff does all game? He used my Eldar codex to look up my models' stats during the game. He proxied two units in our game, obliterators and lesser daemons. He did not have WYSIWYG combi-weapons on his rhinos and icons in his squads (IIRC). He fired many plasma cannons during the game but did not make one single "gets hot!" roll. Ironically, this led me to forget to make "gets hot!" rolls against my next opponent who quite correctly pointed out that I was cheating. Sorry Owen! Later in the game was the now famous model-throwing incident, but there is no need to rehash that. Also, casino dice are not allowed at any RTT's. So take that as you like.

Adam's response to Tiger's earlier complaints was to claim that people are upset because he's good at the game of Warhammer 40K. There are two problems with this statement. First he's calling everybody else a sore loser. Adam, winning and losing has nothing to do with it. If our game had gone past turn 5 I had a chance to come back and win. I didn't want that chance. I just wanted the game to be over. When it ended on turn 5 I was happy to grab my undamaged figures and leave.

The second problem with the statement is that Warhammer 40K is not a game it's a hobby. People participate in the hobby to have fun in their leisure time. The hobby consists of three main areas:

1. Insuring your opponent has an enjoyable gaming experience. This is why we play after all. Nobody is paying us.
2. Army design, rules knowledge, tactical play on the tabletop.
3. Painting, building and converting your army.

In tournaments this is broken down into sportsmanship, battle points and paint or hobby score. So if we give you a passing grade in #2, how do you do in the other two areas? Are you "good" at Warhammer 40K?

I'm not saying this to hurt your feelings. Self-awareness is something young people struggle with. I know many a young lad (myself included) who just wanted to win games and be "that guy who's good at 40K". Looking back now I realize I never even knew what 40K was. I'm better at it now than I used to be, but there is always room for improvement.

@Dusk & Tim:: Thank you;

I personally just really like playing the game, and games in general. Pitting an imaginative army I have designed against whatever an opponent can put on the table is lots of fun for me. But one thing I am not that good at is recognizing when and how I am not doing something well. So it means a good deal to me for you two to actually directly just tell me what it is that is bothering you.

Most 40k players I knew in Montreal were probably more concentrated on the tactics and army building parts of the game; and I was very much used to lots of players feilding entirely unpainted armies; and proxy'ing a lot of wargear (as long as a model looked similar to what it should be); And playing for the fun of competition and winning; And most players knew most of the codex'es legal at any particular moment, so often you would just spout off your list at the start of a game and that would be enough (Especially for anything MEQ).

"The second problem with the statement is that Warhammer 40K is not a game it's a hobby." Is probably the biggest thing I have been ignorent of. I definetly love the hobby of 40K, and would hate to ruin it for others by power-gaming.

I had no idea that my modeling was bothering people; but I can easily see how non-WYSIWYG modeling combined with no particular list (other than shorthand on a post-it note) seems like cheating. I will definetly now scrape through my bitz boxes to complete those models. And as for the dice, they were all bought as just dice; but maybe they are well weighted to roll high? And now that I think about it, In the last 3-4 times I remember feilding Kharn i probably only rolled a total of maybe 3-4 1's out of 6-7 combats, and I do tend to pass lots of Daemon Prince armour saves. But my marines tend to fail a lot of their saves. I could save them for DnD and get others for 40k.

I do absolutely try to build strong armies. And I remember when I started to play 40k that I was always most interested by players who were able to table my army in 3-4 turns because in my mind they were the best. But I can see how that might not be very friendly and could dissuade players from the game.

And I would like to apologize for coming across as "a pompous arrogant arse". I would like to ensure that other players have a positive gaming experience. I think I do that well as a Tournament Organiser; but poorly as an opponent. So I hope this does not sound like a dumb question, but what exactly about the way I act makes me seem to be a pompous arrogant arse?

I am sorry for any offence I have commited, and would love to correct it.

And @ Dom: I'm not sure what you wrote; but are you talking to me (ADEM?) and if so, what are you asking?/do you want to have a game?

Like Tim said it's not personal. This is a social game, and it has its own "rules" for how that plays out. Many times going out of your way to make sure your opponent has a good time makes YOUR game better. A few things I'll point out/suggest.

You enjoy building and playing strong lists. I'm not gonna tell you NOT to play that way, that's the fun part to YOU. That said you need to realize your lists are not friendly to beginner's or for a casual game.

Related to that, when commenting/critiquing another person's army, realize not everyone has the same playstyle as you. For instance, My terminator captain. I fully realize he is not the most effective HQ in my build. I play him because he's painted, he's my first conversion, and , frankly, he looks boss. It's all in how you say it. "That's a nice Autarch, any reason you're playing him?" rather than "You know a Farseer's much more effective."

Regarding playstyle vs anyone: None of the standard missions give any sort of bonus points for tabling an opponent. When the game is in hand, let up, send your HQ vs their HQ, charge his Termies with your Tau, etc. In general, give your opponent something to do rather than put away his models.

Let people know what bitz you need to make your models WYSIWYG. (Bartertown is good for this). Solicit advice on how to convert them. If you want the option of switching out special weapons, having a few extra models or magnetizing the arms can go a long way. If it's something you play all the time (Your AC havocs) ask if anyone has idea on how to make them look decent. (Related, I have 3 space IG Autocannons if you want them).

You need new dice. Even if they do roll true (and I don't think they do), the perception is there. Do you realize our last game you missed ONE Autocannon shot and Kharn rolled a 1 on his attacks ONCE. For an army built on weight of dice, this says something is wrong. And if you remember the round that Landspeeder made all 8 cover saves, I actually used your dice.

Lastly, and this goes to everyone, please don't claim to have memorized the codex/BRB etc. When you do miss something (remember your 11-man rhinos?) it makes you look foolish at best, and like a cheat at worst.

Again, none of this is personal, just some advice on how to make things more enjoyable for your opponent (and yourself)

Sorry for being un-sportsman like; I do have a tendancy to look at models, admire the paintjob, but then start questioning their stats vs point costs. And I guess its not clear whe I ask, but usually I question other peoples list choices because I am genuinly curious about how they reaoned out their list. I can see how that would come across negatively though. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

As for my dice as unfair (I like the colours and I guess they roll well); but seeing this much popular beleif that they are rigged; then I could agree to use other dice.

For my own curiosity, I rolled the 9 dice I consider lucky (the solid red white and black ones), 300 times each (Something to do while watching TV) to see how many 3+ I'd fail and chart the results (Chance to hit at range/DP hit in CC/General Armour save). After 100 trials I got 32.77% failure rate which is below 1/3 (what 'true dice' should roll). But the second set of 100 had a 35% failure rate, and the third set of 100 had a 34.11% failure rate both over 1/3. But all the numbers are relatively close to the expected mean.

So they appear fine to me, but I will get new dice if so many people feel they are unfair. Also I got a new Codex to replace my lost one.

And about the bitz I scrounged through my bitz box, and found enough autocannon. Now I just need Melta guns, a good bunch of them.

Sorry again to anyone I have seemed like an ass towards. I would like to correct this.

ok therer was some confution after skiping therow theose relly log repllys
so jest so its cler i was typeing the frist thing that came to me and that was dirtyed to myself not anyone else. Cuz i was relly pissed off at myself.
So now that ythe air is clear (hopefuly) carp i forgot wut i was gonaing to say after that. but ya the only preson im mad at is myself.

....really man, use spell check or take the time to read over your writting better. are you really a high schooler with spelling that bad? i feel sorry for the staff.

Dom, seriously. People have been asking you to spellcheck your posts since you came to these forums and it seems you can't be bothered. Your posts look like they are written by someone who is not a rocket surgeon, if you catch my drift. These are the sorts of people most of us avoid. Do you want to be avoided? You can rehab your image, but it will take a small amount of effort on your part.

Who made the forums awesome? You get a gold star.

Adam and Dom you're getting frowny face stickers.

Bad spelling acutely a symptom of my ADD. It’s even worse on this computer because the keys are closer together on the keyboard and I will sometimes press the key next to the one I meant to press. So ya my spellings a mess. Also yes my English teachers have great time with my spelling and I never passed a spelling test.

Holy S***BALLS!!!! he fully typed out a nice readable post. i think im having a stroke from shock.

its good to see you can actually spell and type legibly when you really wanna dom. just keep replying that way now.

Not trying to kick you when you're down, Adam, but I saw some of the same things when we last played. I didn't notice if models were WYSIWYG or not, as I don't know Marines very well. If I had realized you had no codex nor army sheet, I wouldn't have played the game.

I don't think your dice were super excellent. Remember the Tyrannofex's rupture cannon? 2 hits, 2 wounds, 2 failed saves on a Daemon Prince. Also the poisoned gants doing a number on your other Prince.

Nonetheless, I am willing to play you again at a later date.

i useds spell check that time