my new slennesh list

the brigadiers of debauchery
hq
dp with lash wings and mos-155

elites

3 termies with combi meltas 2 fists and 1 chain fist-140

troops


squad of 10 csm with mos powerfist melta bombs heacy bolter and plasma gun rino demonic possesion -295

squad of 10 csm with mos power weapon melta bombs flamer and heavy bolter rino demonic possesion -275

5 plauge marines with 1 plauge champion with a power weapon 2 melata guns -165

5 noise marines 3 with sonic blasters one with a blastmaster and a champion with a power weapon and a dom siren- 200

fast attack
3 chaos bikers one biker champion 2 melta guns -134

heavy support

preadetor with 3 las cannons extra armour- 180 . summoned daemon-100

1 obliterator-75

total points-1719

please comment critisize etc etc

ben sometimes your posts hurt my brain, spell checking it and organizing it better I think would really help...for example

HQ
Demon Prince
Wings
MoS
Lash 155pts

Elites1
3 Terminators
3 combi-melta's
2 power fists
1 chainfist 140pts

Troop1
10 Chaos Marines
MoS
Heavy Bolter
Plasma Gun
Asp Champ
Melta Bombs
Power Fist
Rhino
Demonic Possession 295pts

Troop2
10 Chaos Marines
MoS
Flamer
Heavy Bolter
Asp Champ
Power Weapon
Melta Bombs
Rhino
Demonic Possession 275pts

Troop3
5 Plague Marines
2X Melta Guns
Plague Champion
Power Weapon 165pts

Troop4
5 Noise Marines
3 Sonic Blasters
Blastmaster
Asp Champ
Doom Siren
Power Weapon 200pts

Fast Attack1
3 Chaos Bikers
2X Melta Guns
Asp Champ 134pts

Heavy1
Predator
Lascannon Turret
Lascannon Sponsons
Extra Armour 180pts

Heavy2
Obliterator 75pts

Misc1
Greater Demon 100pnts

1719

Y it helps to read when its organized..But it looks really good.

What other models do you have available to modify the list with?

kerr_matt80 wrote:What other models do you have available to modify the list with?

ah ok i wil spellcheck more, thats about it for other models well i have some possed and a, landraider

it looks good ben, i hope to play it sometime

You have more obliterators and terminators dont you. Do you have more plague marines/normal marines/noise marines?

alright ben, Im no expert but here's a few of my ideas on what you should consider.

One obliterator is not going to be very effective

Extra armour on a predator is not really worth the 15 points

3 bikes is a pretty small squad and will likely get targeted quickly and eliminated. especially with 2 meltas flying around the table.

Plague marines are Init 3 and so the champ would benefit more with a power fist instead since he will strike after most other inits anyway.

Melta guns on a small unit of plague marines with no transport is not a good idea and wouldn't be very effective. maybe a bigger squad in a rhino would be better

I wouldn't put heavy weapons in a normal chaos marine squad. You are paying points for something you aren't going to use either way. You shoot heavy weapon and never the rest of squad or you move your squad around and can never shoot the heavy weapon. These guys are better with a pair of special weapons with a specialized role. Such as 2 meltas in a rhino tank hunting. 2 plasmas in a rhino ap hunting. 2 flamers in a rhino infantry hunting. Or you can take no special weapons but give a fist or power weapon to champ and use them with land raider for assaulting.
Also with the marine squads, if the champ has a power fist, you likely don't need to buy melta bombs. waste of points.

Daemonic possession on rhino's probably isn't the best idea. You are almost doubling the points for something that usually doesn't last long anyway. Daemonic possession overall is not a really good upgrade for any vehicle. too expensive. maybe on a land raider or vindicator which the lowered BS won't hurt it too much and they definately benefit from ignoring shaken and stunned results. Rhinos don't really need to worry about shooting so half the use of possession is gone right there,

I think your terminator squad is pretty expensive as a deep striking squad. Combimelta teleport is ok, but they are gonna take a lot of shots next turn and probably die. so the fists are going to be wasted points because you'll never use em. Add two more terminators and put them in a land raider, that way you can get them close and assault to make use of them. But then combi melta aren't really needed.

For lash to be useful, you need a strategy. CC units that you want to get into combat with quickly or grouping units together to hit them with a blast weapon. I don't really see either tactic available in your army, so maybe drop the power for something more useful.

That's all i can really come up with right now. I hope it helps.

disclaimer: I kinda sorta know how to build SM, and have very little experience with CSM.

Veyure wrote:One obliterator is not going to be very effective

All it takes is one melta (or two) and... poof.

Extra armour on a predator is not really worth the 15 points

The predator itself isn't worth the 180 points. Yes it may have a lot of lascannons but... for 180 points you can get two (and almost a half) obliterators.

Predators are very good at mulching infantry (give it HB sponsons), so I'd leave them to that job. Instead, some dreadnoughts with multi-meltas are always fun.

Plague marines are Init 3 and so the champ would benefit more with a power fist instead since he will strike after most other inits anyway.

Since they're initiative 3 you probably don't want them in assaults. Plague marines are great objective holders, toughness 5 with 3+/4+ is very annoying.

Also with the marine squads, if the champ has a power fist, you likely don't need to buy melta bombs. waste of points.

A waste of points, always. Tac squads kill things at range. I dunno how the tactic works for CSM, but SM wants their tac squads to fail combat and fall back (since they can't be sweeping advanced and can always choose to fail a moral test, cheeky bastards) so more shooty can occur.

Daemonic possession on rhino's probably isn't the best idea. You are almost doubling the points for something that usually doesn't last long anyway.

Yup, rhinos are tin cans that blow up at the mere sight of melta or lascannons.

I think your terminator squad is pretty expensive as a deep striking squad. Combimelta teleport is ok, but they are gonna take a lot of shots next turn and probably die. so the fists are going to be wasted points because you'll never use em. Add two more terminators and put them in a land raider, that way you can get them close and assault to make use of them. But then combi melta aren't really needed.

Very true, terminators are only worth taking as TH/SS... which CSM don't have. Plus they eat up space for DREADNOUGHTS!!!

The CSM marines are good in CC because they have CCW and pistols. They aren't dedicated CC units but can still take down a few guys and possibly win. Just watch out for power weapons. A round of pistol shots then 3 attacks each on the charge is much better than just 2 bolter shots each. and if you don't kill everything, you'll be locked in combat and free from enemy fire next round.

HolyCause wrote:
A waste of points, always. Tac squads kill things at range. I dunno how the tactic works for CSM, but SM wants their tac squads to fail combat and fall back (since they can't be sweeping advanced and can always choose to fail a moral test, cheeky bastards) so more shooty can occur.

Melta bombs are way too good to pass up. 5 points, and if I need to, (with some luck) I can take out a tank or dreadie that gets too close. Those little bombs have saved a unit of mine more than once. Its not always about specialization HolyCause, you need versatility as well.

Ben= Greg is right, powerfists in the plaguemarines! they are T5 and FNP, cc is great for them. sure they strike last, but bar bloodletters, there isn't much that can take them out before a fist makes mincemeat of their foes. because marines have lower numbers, you don't have the manpower to specialize, each unit needs to be able to perfom other tasks. If you plan the same strategy every time before game, you will fail.

thanks for the advice guys as you can see this is not my normal list,(my other one is more practical) but i just wana try out some new units and see how things work. as i have posted this on several other fourms i have come up with things i should never do and always do, thank you and i vaue your opinion, and apreciate you guys commenting on this