Nightfight

After many a game with people telling me one thing and others telling me another.... I looked it up.

In night fight games, you get STEALTH when 12-24" away. You get shrouding when 24-32" away. You do not get both.

If you have both, they would stack, but night fight doesn't ever grant you both. Ever.

that's right, they dont stack. its the stealth from a unit that will stack with those, such as scout camo cloaks.

Yeah, Camo-cloaks, Stealth Suits, and the Nemesor telling a unit "you're sneaky this turn" would all stack with shroud from being in the 24-36" bracket. Both stealth and shroud also stack with Jink, as Jink is a 5+ cover save.

Do cloaks gove stealth or +1 to stealth. If they give stealth then it wouldnt stack.

System Commander wrote:Do cloaks gove stealth or +1 to stealth. If they give stealth then it wouldnt stack.

It'd stack with Shrouding but not Stealth.

Yeah.. Exactly. I know stealth and shrouding stack.. And night can only have one or the other in effect.

I just cant remember though if cloaks give +1 to cover saves or just give the stealth rule. I dont think ive ever used a unit with camo cloaks

this is from the newest digital copy of C:SM: Camo Cloaks - a model wearing a camo cloak has +1 cover save.

so cloaks stack with everything. i think the paperback copy said they confer stealth, but since the digital copy is newer and has all the current FAQ updates applied to it, it's just a straight +1 to any existing cover.

Ah ha. Gotcha.. Good to know. So when night fight is in effect.. And they are 24-36 away.. Scouts get +3 to their cover save.i.. Which is pretty great.

4+ cover save in the open. 5+ due to shrouding, then the cloak bonus to 4+. If they're in cover, this would bump it up to 2+

And then the next question. Do scouts inherently have the stealth rule and camo cloaks. If thats the case theyre even better at the 24-36 range.. Getting 1 for stealth, 2 for.shrouding and the +1 camo cloak bonus.

Looking at the FAQ, that's a "No" on the stealth.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2420318a_Space_Marines_6th_Ed_V1.pdf

Scouts don't come with camo, we pay...3pts per model in the squad, I believe.

Going by the new stuff.... Telion now has a camo cloak. Does he still confer Stealth on the squad (although now there is a reason to buy camo cloaks in Scout squads w/ Telion.)

I've been reading into that too beau; from what I gather reading through the book, and from the internets, it appears that 6th now operates on the premise that if an IC or special char has a USR, his squad benefits from it as well in turn. I think some of the newer codices are even worded now to show this is how it works too.

i thought i remember reading something about a list or notice if a USR is conferable to IC from squads or from IC to squads. I think it is mentioned right before or after the USR section of the BRB.

Each USR is different. If its conferred on the unit it will say

"a unit that contains at least one model with XXX may...."

There are also a few that say that they can't splash over to an IC that way, but I think an IC can confer it to a squad. I think Infiltrate and Outflank were big ones for that.

its to bad someone couldnt just have taken 5 mins and made a table or anything >.>

If any model in the unit has Stealth, the whole unit does. So Telion grants stealth....

camo cloaks don't give stealth, they give +1 to your cover save.

So your telion Sniper scouts with camo cloaks in 24"-36" away in cover during NF have... -4 to their cover save. (3+ in the open, 2+ if in cover of any sort)? Correct?

that sounds about right