Recon restrictions

Just settling an arguement more than actually wanting to use this, but it came up that the recon rules are different from the 40K in a flash.

Specifically instead of mentioning no 2+ saves, it mentions no armor saves better than 3+. Is this intentional, ie. Does it allow for 2+ cover or 2+ inv (Such as the Dark Eldar shadowfield.)

In recon missions it means no 2+ saves of any kind(i think there is exeption to cover but i am not sure about that). Hope that helps.

It says "armour" saves, so it might not mean invunerable saves. Just ask Robyn, he'll tell ya.

Just armour. After all, cover saves are dependant on the terrain and so on, not your figures - also I don't think there are any 2+ Invulnerable saves at all are there?

About half a dozen through the various rulebooks. Off the top of my head, sisters of battle with 2+ armor using faith to make it inv, Ghazgul with his special waagh. Dark eldar shadowfield is the only one I could find that works in recon, which is that it gives you a 2+ inv save that can be used once.

And most ways of getting 2+ cover are dependant on your figs. A unit with camo cloaks that goes to ground in 4+ cover ends up with 2+. Eldar pathfinders that stand in cover have 2+ (I think.) Space marine bolstered ruins coupled with camo cloaks, etc.

About half a dozen through the various rulebooks. Off the top of my head, sisters of battle with 2+ armor using faith to make it inv,

The model doesn't have a 2+ invulnerable save. It has a regular save (which would be excluded) that it can apply a special rule to.

Ghazgul with his special waagh.

Same deal. Additionally excluded for a variety of reasons.

Dark eldar shadowfield is the only one I could find that works in recon,

Interesting, never even knew that existed.

And most ways of getting 2+ cover are dependant on your figs. A unit with camo cloaks that goes to ground in 4+ cover ends up with 2+. Eldar pathfinders that stand in cover have 2+ (I think.) Space marine bolstered ruins coupled with camo cloaks, etc.

Of course it is, but the model doesn't have a 2+ save, he has Stealth or some other rule that can combine with cover to provide a cover save.

The recon rule says armour, so only armour is at issue.

I do understand that. What I'm checking for is clarification that the rule is written as intended. From what I can tell, the x-com rules we use are based off of 40k in a flash, which excludes all 2+ saves, not just armor. Just doublechecking basically. ^_^

Thats basically what I figured. Would be really weird if cover saves couldn't go to 2+ (Eldar rangers are legal to take, but god help you if you put them in cover! Hehe.)

Thanks for the swift response!

Tyranid Lictors in Cover, will have a 2+ cover save
Pathfinder (rangers) in cover have a 2+ cover save

Other than a shadow field I don't know of any other 2+ cover saves or invulnerable

Imperial Guard in cover with Camo Cloaks gone to ground.

any model with stealth that goes to ground in cover would have 2+, not just guard.

GodHead wrote:Imperial Guard in cover with Camo Cloaks gone to ground.

Or any guard squad in cover and ordered to go to ground (+2 to their cover save)

Go to ground is only +1, same as being pinned. So most cover (4+) gives you only a normalish 3+ for going to ground.