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Mindshackle / Challenges

Post  System Commander on Mon Oct 22, 2012 10:52 am

Oh.. The conundrum. Just bringing this up because im facing Mark this friday with my challenge crazy chaos marines.. And thisll prob come up.

Shackles and challenges both happen at the start of the fight sub phase. The only logical thing i can come up with is that when two thimgs happen at the same time.. The player whose turn it is decides the order.

So my turn... Charge happens. I opt for shackles to go off.. Then issue challenge.. Hopefully ensuring my challenger doesnt get shackled. If the necrons charged.. He prob opt for challenge to go first.. Everyone moves then shackles go off.

Does this sound right to you. I wish gw would of faq'd this.. But it seems to me it should work this way?

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Re: Mindshackle / Challenges

Post  gluvzer on Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:00 am

I believe this was faq'd. Or something to do with shackles and challenges was...

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Re: Mindshackle / Challenges

Post  Lore Weaver on Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:13 am

Scarabs happen "before blows are struck". So Challenges -> Shackles | Although, the one trick is, if I'm in base-to-base with another dude, I don't leave base-to-base with that guy to accept the challenge, necessarily.

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Re: Mindshackle / Challenges

Post  System Commander on Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:15 am

Hmm.. But both are at the beginning of the fight sub phase... It seems to me they are simultaneous.

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Re: Mindshackle / Challenges

Post  Lore Weaver on Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:23 am

Here's what it says in the FAQ:

“At the start of the Fight subphase,
after charges have been made, but before any blows are
struck, randomly select a non-vehicle enemy model in base
contact with the bearer of the mindshackle scarabs.”

Could be simultaneous, in which case, it'd come down to whose turn it is to determine which happens first.

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Re: Mindshackle / Challenges

Post  System Commander on Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:36 am

Those guys.. they just half faqd it.

A general search throughout the interwebs garners the same conclusion.. Its simul.

Lets see how others weigh in on it.

It may not even come up.. But im sure it will some day..

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Re: Mindshackle / Challenges

Post  Lore Weaver on Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:38 am

I've got a Destroyer Lord with Scarabs in my list. He'll be assaulting something :-)

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Re: Mindshackle / Challenges

Post  System Commander on Mon Oct 22, 2012 11:49 am

I guess i should of.clarified that. Ive only failed one scarab test so im ill pass it.. No problem.

And now that ive jinxed myself.. Ill never pass it again

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Re: Mindshackle / Challenges

Post  Rhaevyn on Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:22 pm

Funny, i've never passed a mindshackle test. maybe i'm due to pass some. Smile

i virtually gave up ever meleeing Crons. 50% chance to get screwed in the butt by a 25 point upgrade makes for an unhappy melee monster.

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Re: Mindshackle / Challenges

Post  Guest on Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:12 pm

I would agree that they are simultaneous

So the active player gets to choose order.

You charge, have a mook B2B the Lord, or nobody (if there is a unit model like a warrior to B2B with), Trigger scarabs, then challenge

You get charged, Necron guy challenges, and then shackles your challenge guy.

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Re: Mindshackle / Challenges

Post  Lore Weaver on Mon Oct 22, 2012 4:21 pm

Rhaevyn wrote: i virtually gave up ever meleeing Crons. 50% chance to get screwed in the butt by a 25 point upgrade makes for an unhappy melee monster.

15 points

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Re: Mindshackle / Challenges

Post  System Commander on Mon Oct 22, 2012 6:18 pm

Psychotrokes are also 15.. But you dont get a roll to avoid it and theres a chance the whole unit will hit itself.

I have no idea how that piece of wargear got created.

Psychos alone make me not to hard on mindshackles..

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