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Post  superdeuxlol on Tue Feb 25, 2014 3:28 pm

There is no option that includes allies but not super heavies. I thought that might be "standard".

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Post  GingerBalls on Tue Feb 25, 2014 3:41 pm

superdeuxlol wrote:There is no option that includes allies but not super heavies. I thought that might be "standard".

Also, supplements, or is that included in "Codex"?

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Post  superdeuxlol on Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:39 pm

And don't forget Dataslates, and you could even break them down into Belakor/Cypher and whatever other character dataslates that they release, and the large multi unit ones.

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Post  Planes on Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:54 pm

Perhaps an easier distinction would be "dataslate unit" verses "dataslate formations". Cypher and Belakor are both just units, where as the the Tau got the gun-line formation.

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Re: Anyone grab the Knights White Dwarf?

Post  Paz on Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:09 pm

That's way too many words. I don't think I'll be able to ask ppl something as  simple as 

"Regular, lords, dataslate/sheet?"

Whew, almost couldn't say it.

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Post  Paz on Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:23 pm

Dallas has informed me I sound pissy. 
I'm not trying to tell anyone here off, I'm just pissed at the overall player base of online peeps who cannot stop doomsaying 40k. It's the most popular tabletop game in the world, I don't think we have anything to worry about. And, locally, this is especially true. We control our meta, if things get silly, we can decide as a group how to handle it.
Nobody here goes to enough tournaments outside of Saskatoon, to see a trend where tournaments and dying, because of changes to the game.

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Re: Anyone grab the Knights White Dwarf?

Post  superdeuxlol on Tue Feb 25, 2014 6:51 pm

Sometimes he needs a reminder <3

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Post  Lore Weaver on Tue Feb 25, 2014 7:02 pm

Ya, we're lucky here in that no one takes anything too ridiculous such that we have to care. We just have to not take much stock in internet whining. Most of those internet whiner babies lose games, which is why they whine. *waaaah necrons* *waaaaah grey knights* *waaaah eldar* etc...

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Post  dusktiger on Tue Feb 25, 2014 8:09 pm

superdeuxlol wrote:There is no option that includes allies but not super heavies. I thought that might be "standard".
that was 'narrative'

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Post  System Commander on Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:18 am

For me.. i think my only issue for a pickup game would be superheavies. Everything else is a-ok in my books.. but it really doesnt hurt tonsay.. hey, im bringing belakor or tau formation.. at the very i always tell my opponet what army im bringing.

We'll have to see what the knights add.

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Post  Roland on Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:14 am

What would be the proxies for the main weapon on a Knight/Dreamforge? Nothing really matches the default.

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Re: Anyone grab the Knights White Dwarf?

Post  Roland on Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:13 pm

Looks like the Beowulf for the battlecannon, or the nova cannon for the melta. Both $35 normally, $28 during the sale.

Based on that the DF is more expensive if you count all the guns. ($190 vs $140 us), but cheaper during the sale.

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Re: Anyone grab the Knights White Dwarf?

Post  Lore Weaver on Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:34 pm

I might grab the book...

If you can play a 1750 list with 5 or less models ... that'd be super cool. If it's anything like painting a wraithknight though, I might go crazy.

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Re: Anyone grab the Knights White Dwarf?

Post  Paz on Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:24 pm

Thing is tho, as much as I like the idea of battling a knight, battling 5 holds no interest to me, unless I had super heavies. You can totally spend the money, I doubt a whole knight army will pay off, except in apocalypse

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Post  Lore Weaver on Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:15 pm

Paz wrote:Thing is tho, as much as I like the idea of battling a knight, battling 5 holds no interest to me, unless I had super heavies. You can totally spend the money, I doubt a whole knight army will pay off, except in apocalypse

I don't suspect they'd be all that competitive. Not hard to hose a small number of AV13/12 targets.

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Post  System Commander on Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:18 pm

I cant see an all knught list being fun to play against.. at all.

Str 6 and under cant hurt it.. and if you have good anti tank.. 5 knights shooti g at it wont last long uness youve got raiders.

1-2 in a list wouldnt be bad though...

We'll have to see how these lists look when the codex comes out.

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Post  System Commander on Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:20 pm

It just feels like it would be incredibly boring shooting at av13 all game and not being able to engage with infantry, or assault.. stuff like that.

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Re: Anyone grab the Knights White Dwarf?

Post  Planes on Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:50 pm

They can be taken on in melee, sitting at a pretty average I4, but it does take a rather specific bit of kit to pull off.

Double DLord with Whipcoil Wraith escort could do it. Halbred Strike Squad with a Might of Titan Libby (+1 Str Ham Hand, +1 Str and +1d6 Pen dice from MoT). I'm sure Eldar would have some form of high init high-jinks to use against that. Assault Centurions, maybe, if in large enough numbers with a decent delivery method. Need to be able to deliver all that into melee, though.

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Re: Anyone grab the Knights White Dwarf?

Post  Paz on Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:23 pm

tom- if you have to kit your entire army to one roll, call the game over. same as if someone tried to run 3 wraithknights with min troops and hq at 1000 pts. or 6 at 2000. nobody wants to play that. doesnt mean I mind fighting a single wraithkinght tho.

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Post  Planes on Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:47 pm

I was mostly talking in terms of a response to dealing with mass Knights by means of assault, not a single one in a more generalist list. I just wanted to point out that there were armies out there that could take on a knight in melee, but the level of investment required is something that not all armies can accomplish, either due to what books have available to them, and what delivery systems they have on hand when they do have a unit build that can pull it off.

I had intended the post to be a bit of theory-crafting to show that it could be done, not necessarily should be done, nor saying I had any particular plans to run this (unless someone was really jonesing to run a 5 Knight list).

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Re: Anyone grab the Knights White Dwarf?

Post  GingerBalls on Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:55 pm

EMP and haywire grenades just got a little sexier.

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Re: Anyone grab the Knights White Dwarf?

Post  Lore Weaver on Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:13 pm

Don't forget that they can stomp.

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Post  Aegwymourn on Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:20 pm

Lore Weaver wrote:Don't forget that they can stomp.

At what initiative step though?

If it isn't till the end of combat even fire warriors with emp grenades could be an issue.

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Re: Anyone grab the Knights White Dwarf?

Post  Planes on Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:30 pm

I think the Stomp feels like a bit of an afterthought when Str D melee is involved. Great fluff wise, with each swing cutting down literal swaths of dudes, but it makes you wonder how many squads would have enough dudes left at the end for the stomp to do anything important. Hormagaunts and cultists, maybe? At least the cultists could give a Fist lord a chance to connect. Does the Tyranid Prime have anything that could do anything meaningful to AV 13 in melee?

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Post  System Commander on Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:31 pm

Well damn..  Sad   I dont think i want one for my grey knights.. but might be time to get my guard in line. *sigh*

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