9 point orks boys, with a 5 plus invul worth it?

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Post  superdeuxlol on Mon Feb 03, 2014 3:17 pm

For the same point cost you can get a plaguebearer. 5++ shrouded t4 with a fearless that still allows you to go to ground and the ability to glance a land raider out. Then again there is something to be said about shooting 30 boyz...

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Post  Lore Weaver on Mon Feb 03, 2014 3:19 pm

And we're reminded why the Daemon book kicks ass. Thanks Dallas!

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Re: 9 point orks boys, with a 5 plus invul worth it?

Post  Rhaevyn on Mon Feb 03, 2014 4:33 pm

Lore Weaver wrote:That argument implies that Mark of Tzeentch (6+) is worth while on CSM (2pts vs 13pts) as it saves them 1/6th of the time and is < 1/6th the cost.

The argument is only valid when the initial points cost of a unit is reasonable and cost effective. since this is not the case with CSM, the math doesn't work out.

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Re: 9 point orks boys, with a 5 plus invul worth it?

Post  Gulsnick on Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:09 pm

Rhaevyn wrote:
Gulsnick wrote:

actualy the original point of the tread was are 3 pts a model worth it on reg ork boys for an invul save Smile

moar boyz. the math doesn't work outfor regular ork boyz.  if it was going to be cost effective it would have to be 2 points a model. 5+ save is only going to save the model 1/3 of the time, so should cost no more than 1/3 the price of a boy.

Spend the points on more boyz and get the weight of numbers(more attacks/shots)  instead of trying to keep a lesser number alive.


math wise does the invul get better if the unit has feel no pain? or worse?

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Post  Rhaevyn on Mon Feb 03, 2014 7:26 pm

only if the FNP costs more points. if you can somehow get FNP for little to no points, then just go with the FNP. but if you Want FNP and you pay a premium to have it, then the math gets much better to make a case for the 5+ invul. the more expensive a model is, the more each line of defense is worth.

Take Draigo, hes already a bitch with a 2+/3++. add in an apothecary to take away 1/3 of the few wounds you Do get through and it becomes a very frustrating endeavor.


5+ invuls and FNP still don't give you more attacks when you charge or more shoota attacks on a target though. i'm always in favour of MOAR BOYZ!

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Post  superdeuxlol on Mon Feb 03, 2014 7:42 pm

I agree, MOAR.

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Post  Lore Weaver on Mon Feb 03, 2014 7:52 pm

Rhaevyn wrote:5+ invuls and FNP still don't give you more attacks when you charge or more shoota attacks on a target though.  i'm always in favour of MOAR BOYZ!

Sold! This I like. 2 Boyz vs 3 Boyz, is what this boils down to. 18pts for 3 boyz with no 5++ // 18pts for 2 boyz with a single 5++

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Post  Gulsnick on Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:34 pm

superdeuxlol wrote:I agree, MOAR.

i do value you guys advice, but moar boys does not always work out on the table , like you never get all the boyz in 2 inch cc.

plus moving a ton of boys and transporting them is such a pain .

basicaly i was thinking a spanna boy unit in a truck with a pain boss.

so they would have a 5++ and a FNP

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Post  Rhaevyn on Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:24 pm

good unit for nabbing objectives. especially the relic. grab and hold while da udder boyz chop and dakka

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Post  Lore Weaver on Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:31 pm

5++ and FNP is a 55% survival rate. In a trukk, you max out at 12. It is why I like 'Ard Boyz in a trukk. Good for a quick semi-durable turn 2 assault threat.

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Post  superdeuxlol on Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:42 pm

I have not done much with trukks since.. the incident. I wouldnt mind taking a LOT of trukks at some point though.

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Post  Gulsnick on Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:28 pm

Lore Weaver wrote:5++ and FNP is a 55% survival rate.  In a trukk, you max out at 12. It is why I like 'Ard Boyz in a trukk. Good for a quick semi-durable turn 2 assault threat.

First turn 12" + 18" turbo boost, assault turn 2.


only 12 " turbo boost but other wise a gret tactic i would like to use

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Post  Lore Weaver on Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:39 pm

12 Boyz in a trukk with a PK Nob with a pole is what, 147 pts? 4 of those would be pretty good.

At 9 pts a boy it's still what, 183?

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Post  Gulsnick on Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:48 am

Lore Weaver wrote:12 Boyz in a trukk with a PK Nob with a pole is what, 147 pts?  4 of those would be pretty good.  

At 9 pts a boy it's still what, 183?

i think that is the key with all things orky . you have to spam them

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Post  superdeuxlol on Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:36 am

Looking at the foc movements in the dread mob list I wonder if it is a glimpse into what is coming for orks. Lootas in HS, bommer in heavy, etc.

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Post  Lore Weaver on Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:55 am

superdeuxlol wrote:Looking at the foc movements in the dread mob list I wonder if it is a glimpse into what is coming for orks. Lootas in HS, bommer in heavy, etc.

Burna Bomma in Heavy would make me a sad panda.

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Post  Gulsnick on Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:07 pm

superdeuxlol wrote:Looking at the foc movements in the dread mob list I wonder if it is a glimpse into what is coming for orks. Lootas in HS, bommer in heavy, etc.


wait lootaz are a HS in the dread mob , that means i can have 60 of them lol

so much dakka so little time!

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Post  superdeuxlol on Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:37 pm

Can dread mob ally with reg orks? I didn't think they could.

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Post  Gulsnick on Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:40 pm

superdeuxlol wrote:Can dread mob ally with reg orks? I didn't think they could.

Yep, it's in the forge world ally doc. They ally as irks, except they may ally to codex orks as BB.

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Post  superdeuxlol on Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:43 pm

Oh that is actually awesome.

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Post  Gulsnick on Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:12 pm

superdeuxlol wrote:Oh that is actually awesome.

yeah some realy cool idea can be hatched.

18 kanz
24 grot tanks
60 lootaz
19  dreads


probably not efective but would be fun to model

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Post  GingerBalls on Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:06 pm

Gulsnick wrote:
superdeuxlol wrote:Oh that is actually awesome.

yeah some realy cool idea can be hatched.

18 kanz
24 grot tanks
60 lootaz
19  dreads


probably not efective but would be fun to model

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Post  superdeuxlol on Tue Feb 04, 2014 5:41 pm

or like... 4 Dakka jets with 60 lootas...

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Post  Gulsnick on Tue Feb 04, 2014 5:50 pm

superdeuxlol wrote:or like... 4 Dakka jets with 60 lootas...

then 2 squads of grots and a warp head 1750 pts Smile

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Post  Rhaevyn on Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:15 pm

sounds legit.

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