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Post  Lore Weaver on Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:21 pm

Broadsides to be S8 AP1 Skyfire for, potentially, 85 points.

Time to put your Vendetta's, Helturkey's, and Scythes on the shelf.

Broadsides - 85 pts with S8 Ap1 Skyfire; not sure if this is in place of old S10 AP1 or if the 85 points + skyfire is an option but its there
Hammerheads - regardless of what Railguns are now in general, keeps S10 AP1
SMS - twin-linked, ignores cover
Crisis Suits - not likely to move to Troops as an option
Disruption Pods - only +1 cover

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Post  System Commander on Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:29 pm

Ill still risk the drake! Need a 5 to pen and a 5+ save still. Even coming in for that alpha strike with the flamer is still worth it .. at least I'm thinking.

Now.. if they were str 10 ap 1.. yeah, Id be rethinking it but 8 still makes it more resonable. That'll make it the only str 8 skyfire gun thats twin linked right.. and of course ap1.

THe overwatch within 6" makes me alot more nervous.. I guess I might be needing two skull cannons.. or alot of dirge casters Smile

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Post  Rhaevyn on Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:18 pm

i'de still risk it.

How many marine armies can you pwn with a helldrake before running into the 1.5 tau armies in any given gaming group?

granted allies make it more... interesting.

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Post  Gain on Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:50 pm

Aren't they a 3+ with 2 wounds? Fly on and flame. Bobs your uncle.

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Post  System Commander on Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:35 am

Broadsides got 2+ !

They can be a tough nut to crack.. unless theres a Bloodthirster in their face!

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Post  Dom.0 on Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:47 am

dam thats nice. looks like its time to referbush my tau

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Post  Lore Weaver on Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:30 am

Rumours are getting weird around this, and somewhat contradictory.

Sounds like a Broadside will be "cheaper" than 85 points, but can pay for an upgrade to make it Skyfire for 85 points. One rumour said that this included Interceptor, another said it didn't. (I wouldn't pay for Skyfire if it meant no interceptor, unless it was a separate profile. Snapfiring at the ground would suck).

The Hammer Head's gun will be renamed "Rail Cannon" and be S10 AP1 (as it is now, no word on the "beam" effect some people were tossing around).

The new "Uber Suit" called "Riptide" is apparently an Elites Choice (competing with the Crisis Teams), which would mean a Tau List could still include a Hammer Head (or two) and some number of Broadsides.

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Post  Termagant on Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:53 am

I guess I will have to take more stuff with template and large blasts to deal with Tau. Cluster spines, barbed stranglers, and biovores.

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Post  Aegwymourn on Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:57 pm

blah, i really hope the broadside rumors turn out to be different. I still maintain without that str 10 (9 i could suffer with) there is not nearly enough anti-tank fire in the tau army. after railguns the next highest str is 8 for a meltagun which i have to mount on a crisis suit. after that its 7 on my missile pods, again on crisis suits. blah. Also on my hammerhead I can only get one railgun. If you could get two per hammerhead or some other combination of anti-tank fire on them it wouldnt be quite so bad.

I wouldnt mind paying 10-20 points to upgrade the broadsides to have the separate profile of str8/ap1 skyfire and then let me choose between them. Although i personally think this rumor is complete bunk, since the vast majority of the Tau AA fire is seeker missiles.

I will be really interested if they make the skyray any good again.

maybe when i go visit my family in the states ill see if i can "borrow" the imerial guard my brother and i build for some guevesa allies!

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Post  Lore Weaver on Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:02 pm

Aegwymourn wrote:I will be really interested if they make the skyray any good again.

Much like the Vespid, I don't think the Skyray was ever good :-)

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Post  Aegwymourn on Thu Mar 14, 2013 2:19 pm

Vespid were very interesting right when they released before point costs went down on a lot of things. Now they are considered rubbish. The skyray had a couple of interesting alpha-strike list options. Again went out when point costs went down everywhere else.

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Post  Lore Weaver on Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:14 pm

Moar Stuff

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via an anonymous source
*Broadsides are Slow and Purposeful, 2+ and T4 now.
*They are twin linked str8 ap1 railguns and can take plasma or missiles as well.
*They have a suit upgrade that let's them at the start of a shooting phase have skyfire.
*They don't have interceptor, nor do they snap fire ground targets.
*The only thing I notice is that the unit chooses to skyfire or not. So if you use split fire, you can't mix firing at ground targets and flyers easily.
*They're really, really good.
*Semi mobile and very durable. They're the only non interceptor skyfire unit in the game that can survive flyer alpha strike.
*The tears and overreactions over out of context snippets is mind-blowing.
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Now... Doing some quick maff hammer, assuming BS3 broadsides, a unit of 3 could move & shoot at an AV12 flier, killing it a hefty 60% of the time. (I'll have to do some real math instead of "math in my head", but 60ish% sounds right)

Edit: I'm horribly wrong. 40% death. Still good though!
Edit2: That's the same odds as 2 vendetta's hosing a Hel-turkey

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Re: Tau Game Changer!

Post  Rhaevyn on Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:49 pm

Lore Weaver wrote:They're the only non interceptor skyfire unit in the game that can survive flyer alpha strike.

Dunno. the vendetta might have something to say about this statement.
one little, two little, three little broad sides... awe.. look at the vapour.

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Re: Tau Game Changer!

Post  Roland on Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:30 pm

*2* vendettas......

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Post  Lore Weaver on Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:47 am

S8 AP2 Large Blast? Well hallo thar.

http://natfka.blogspot.ca/2013/03/tau-are-coming-model-releases-ion.html#more

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Post  Planes on Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:03 am

I think the more important bit there is the option for the Heavy 3/4 fire mode on the gun. Great for shooting at transports, and marker lights can grant twin linked for shooting at air.

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Post  Lore Weaver on Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:10 am

Planes wrote:I think the more important bit there is the option for the Heavy 3/4 fire mode on the gun. Great for shooting at transports, and marker lights can grant twin linked for shooting at air.

S7 AP3 is not any better at killing transports than an annihilation barge. (which isn't bad at killing transports)

The two compare unfavourably. 90pts for an Annihilation barge that gets 5 hits on average, vs this thing, for a rumoured 165 points that gets 2 hits at S7.

S8 AP2 Large Blast however, can kill a squad of dudes with 2+ armour, or two transports (or two annihilation barges, for that matter). AP2 makes a *HUGE* difference (as does large blast). I'd shoot the large blast 99% of the time. The other 1% of the time, the only thing in range is a flier.

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Post  Lore Weaver on Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:12 am

Whole bunch of new stuff on Natfka, check it.

Ian will be disappointed with the cost of the riptide suit. $100

New crisis box seems like a good deal. Bomber flyer might be good. The other one is likely junk (burst cannon and some sort of ion turret == meh, unless it's s8 at BS4)

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Post  Planes on Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:29 am

These found their way to me via Tumblr.




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Post  Roland on Sun Mar 17, 2013 11:40 am

Slightly sad I sold my Tau to Ian now....

It all looks "tau-y", where are the demigurg/squats?Smile

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Post  System Commander on Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:47 pm

The Riptide spunds pretty cool.

Doesnt sound super overpowered by any means.. But i really like the different options it sounds like it gets to choose from every turn. And it comes with railcannons.. Yikes !

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Post  Lore Weaver on Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:53 pm

It looks about 150% taller than a broadside and about 100% wider. That makes it... *HUGE* I can't even imagine.

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Post  Rhaevyn on Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:13 pm

Every army has a huge ass model going forward. Look to fantasy for guidance.

Unfortunately for DA... They got big land speeders and nephillim Sad

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Post  Lore Weaver on Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:14 am

Kroot might not be in the book at all? Could be a "mini-dex" as we've heard rumours about.


http://natfka.blogspot.ca/2013/03/tau-rules-from-codex-and-white-dwarf.html#more

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Post  Commander James of the Ul on Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:00 pm

Umm am I the only one noticing the huge price difference between the USA and Canada. And 100 bucks for the big suit, 60 for a broadside, and 90 for 3 crisis suit (which are really over sided termies). Can someone e-mail GW that the loonie is .98 to the green back. And the Canadian Dollar BASICALLY left Mr Franklin in the rear view mirror for the past 2 years. Um its time to stop screwing the Canadian gamer... If the price wasn't off I might buy a kit or two.

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