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Post  Roland on Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:26 pm

Tom/Robyn: That's my point. It's not "like area terrain." Pg 98 Ruins with Bases- spells out exacty when ruins are considered area terrain- the base level if there is a base, otherwise nothing. Since it's not area terrain it follows the 25% rule.

My personal opinion?: very Very VERY poorly written. They have *4* pages dedicated to ruins. One whole page could have been written "All ruins (and all levels of ruins) are considered area terrain with a 4+ cover save." because that's how everyone plays it. As written, if you are shooting thru te front of a ruin the unit has a majority 4+ cover save and a 2+ if they GTG.... If you get on the back side (and if that terrain has no base, like mine don't) NOBODY gets a save, because nobody is obscured. I doubt this is what they intended.

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Post  System Commander on Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:34 pm

You get +2 for going to ground in area terrain.. But only +1 in ruins. Its bizarre.. I know. So, going to ground in aeea or ruins will always net you 3+ save.

The ruins thing is odd. Im prone to use it as if your in ruins, and not the botton floor.. Its a 4+.

But.. I also realize its time to update and reinforce some old rules regarding the big buildngs we have at the den. I know alot of people still use the its 3" to move between floors.. No matter the distance.. which is wtong.

And the falling rules.. People were just making stuff up at the last tournament without looking it.up. Its pretty nasty if you jimp down.. The higher younare the worse it us.

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Post  Aegwymourn on Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:41 pm

Roland wrote:Tom/Robyn: That's my point. It's not "like area terrain." Pg 98 Ruins with Bases- spells out exacty when ruins are considered area terrain- the base level if there is a base, otherwise nothing. Since it's not area terrain it follows the 25% rule.

My personal opinion?: very Very VERY poorly written. They have *4* pages dedicated to ruins. One whole page could have been written "All ruins (and all levels of ruins) are considered area terrain with a 4+ cover save." because that's how everyone plays it. As written, if you are shooting thru te front of a ruin the unit has a majority 4+ cover save and a 2+ if they GTG.... If you get on the back side (and if that terrain has no base, like mine don't) NOBODY gets a save, because nobody is obscured. I doubt this is what they intended.

After spending most of the day pondering this dilemma and consulting my magic 17 ball I would agree. The only part that was confusing me before was that first line.

@ Robyn - Jumping out of buildings is crazy now if you are more than a couple of inches up now. It adds 1 to the dangerous terrain per 3" isn't it?

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Post  Lore Weaver on Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:00 pm

Jumping // Falling

Dangerous Terrain, with no saves allowed. -1 to your roll for every 3" you fall. (fail on a 1-2 for 1 floor, 1-3 for 2 floors, 1-4 for 3 floors)

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Post  Roland on Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:07 pm

Note: going actual distance on the den terrain. I know several building have 4" levels and some of the terrain will be impossible for general infantry. We'll just have to make sure we figure it out before a game with the opponent (I think we need to do this more anyways)

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Post  Lore Weaver on Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:13 pm

Dan's the winner of Mark v Dan. (3-5)

Tom v Dan to determine who makes it to the final.

Good luck everyone.

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Post  da bear on Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:55 pm

Thanks mark it was a tough fight, I guess tom once robyn tells what the next round will be we can setup a meet but till then my wolves will be licking their wounds lol

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Post  System Commander on Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:24 am

Sorry dudes.. Ive been crazy busy with work and house stuff this.past week. Ill get the 2nd and 3rd scenarios posted this week.

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Post  Planes on Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:55 am

Admittedly, some of these playoff matches have been going by real quick.

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Post  Aegwymourn on Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:13 am

Planes wrote:Admittedly, some of these playoff matches have been going by real quick.

Pool Kachaow! knows that league playoffs are serious business. =P

Hey Dan, what days work for you? Really the only good days for me are weekends since I have to drive in from Rosetown.

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Post  da bear on Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:26 am

I work Tuesday to saturday and saturdays its only till noon, the only issue is sundays from non to about 3 so I'd say saturday afternoon would be the best for me

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Post  Aegwymourn on Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:27 am

da bear wrote:I work Tuesday to saturday and saturdays its only till noon, the only issue is sundays from non to about 3 so I'd say saturday afternoon would be the best for me

As long as I can clear it with The Pants (wife) I think that would work excellent for me. As long as the den is not having another tourney or something Razz

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Post  da bear on Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:29 am

Well if need be we can clash at my place

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Post  Gain on Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:43 am

I'll be playing chaos as well.

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Post  System Commander on Wed Feb 13, 2013 12:14 am

As with all my games with Chaos, the game tonight with Gavin was another barn burner. To top it off, I've had three games against Gavin now.. the first two being white knuckle, down to the last turn, fanstastic games that he's won.

In the end, my new dice were with me, and Gavin's were giving him a struggle (same dice I cracked for the first time against you Beau). On turn 5 or 6, the game was mine.. on turn 7 he wrestled it away gaining fairly solid control. It actually came down to the last roll of game. We ended up being tied on obejctives after some poor armour/cover saves and feel no pains from some plague marines. Through my last shooting phase I was able to grab up another kill point to put me at 5, Gavin had four. This was important, since tied on objectives, and tied on kill points, he would win due to finishing first. His Nurgle Lord on a bike with a fist just had to finish off the last two Berserkers to cough up that tying kill point. So, on the last roll of the dice.. getting 2 hits, and needing two's to win .. ack, a 1. One berserker lived and gave me the victory. It was quite the game.

And.. Gavin learned that Heldrakes got faq'd to have a turret mounted Baleflamer.

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Post  da bear on Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:08 am

Sounded like a wild game and once again it was the underdog that caputured the victory hum will this be the trend through this finals match ups

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Post  Aegwymourn on Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:03 am

Yea the fact that the Baleflamer is turret mounted is HUGE now. Sounds like a good matchup. Adam's and mine was similar that the last couple of rolls of the game were the deciding factor. A couple of failed armour/cover saves and it would have been all over for me.

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Post  Roland on Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:06 am

Tom (the Planes one:)): we're playing Friday my place 8pm, correct?

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Post  Planes on Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:42 am

Sounds like a plan.

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Post  Planes on Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:06 pm

I'll be heading into Toon town shortly, Beau, and likely putzing around playing Dark Heresy at Adam's prior to our match. If anything sudden comes up, just send me a text.

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Post  Lore Weaver on Fri Feb 15, 2013 5:45 pm

Good Luck boys.

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Post  Roland on Sat Feb 16, 2013 12:18 am

And Tom moves on. Wacky fun game

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Post  Planes on Sat Feb 16, 2013 1:57 am

Both my fliers straight up died upon entering the field on turn 2. I also kept forgetting a lot of the rerolls the Divination Primaris unlocked for me (blast scatter, flamer wounds). The Wraiths and Destroyer Lord were brilliant, though, and drove deep into enemy territory before the Wraiths were purged. Pretty awesome Double KO on my end of the field as Coteaz and Belial hit each other in the face with hammers.

Also, none of my psykers exploded themselves this match! Yay!

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Post  Planes on Sat Feb 16, 2013 2:02 am

So, up next is Robin vs Me, and Tom vs Dan, yes?

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Post  Roland on Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:52 am

TuThe wraiths/dlord were devastating.

This is why you premeasure: I deployed way back in my zone (hammer) to try and keep range at 48. I eyeballed it cuz I'm so good at that, and even my wife thinks that's 7 inches. When my turn came up I pivoted a bit and prepared to unleash hell. The FRONT of my lasbacks and Preds were at 48....so I got to fire Dick all turn 1., given that one dread had 1 hp left and the other had 2 and a WD... This could have been a game changer.

If I were Tom: one more psyker in each squad would take those to S7, ap 2. I believe in the power of a naked dreadknight. 5 PF attacks on charge at I4.,, he pretty much toasted a DW squad on his own.

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