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Re: DEVASTATION Angels

Post  Guest on Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:54 am

hmm, sounds like a pretty solid list actually.

I would think maybe dropping 1 Crusader for a Basic Land Raider to get some lascannons, also I am doubtful this banner would apply to anything other than the standard boltgun. Not twinlinker's, not combi's, not hurricanes.

Also, might matter that you are losing the ability to move and shoot 24", but I guess that can be worked around.

I would be interested to play a game vs new Dark Angels to see all their new powers.

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Post  Planes on Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:48 am

Come to think of it, this list is one of those rare "perfect situations" for the Doomsday Ark. I want to sit still and be far away from you, and you want to sit still and bunched up so you can get the most out of the banner. We're going to have to try this out sometime, Mark.

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Post  Lore Weaver on Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:48 am

Planes wrote:Come to think of it, this list is one of those rare "perfect situations" for the Doomsday Ark. I want to sit still and be far away from you, and you want to sit still and bunched up so you can get the most out of the banner. We're going to have to try this out sometime, Mark.

This would highlight why the Doomsday Ark is (still) not great. It has to remain stationary. If you hit, you're glancing on 5's, penning on 6's, and I'd get a 4++ save. Once you get through all that, you're only really hurting me on a 4+.

Being that I'm bunched up, hitting will be likely, lets say you hit two raiders (that's optimal). You have a 33% chance to glance or pen one of them. Lets say you get one Penetrating hit (~17% chance), I still get my 4+ (you're down to 8%) Now you have to roll a 4 to immobilize me, or a 5/6 to pop ( down to 4% ).

The other issue with the Doomsday Ark is you don't get the skimmer jink save if you fire the big gun, as you need to move to get your save.

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The Doomsday Ark is not horrible, but it's clearly one of the worst choices in the Necron Book. Ranks far below Flayed Ones, C'Tan, and the Illuminor.

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Edit, I like my surviveability odds against even the mighty Death Ray and Rail Gun.... even the close-range melta. A 4++ save is monstrous... maybe even Unearthly!

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Post  Guest on Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:26 pm

I think this is a job for ----> THE MANTICORE!!!!

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Post  Aegwymourn on Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:58 pm

I have to say that I particularly dislike any ability that allows you to sit inside a transport (like the KFF, Null Zone, etc.) and have the distance instead be measured from the transports hull. The fact that not only do you get a significantly larger base to project the distance but also, depending what you are sitting in, relative immunity to a large portion of weapons. Currently I think it is one of my only large complaints with 6th edition.

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Post  Planes on Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:02 pm

You know, this reminds me of the math hammer I was doing a while back with the Nemesor giving a 20 man blob of Warriors the Tank Hunter USR and a Stalker granting Twin Linked. Back it with an Ghost Ark, an Orb, and some Storm Teks, and maybe that 4++ would just be overwhelmed. Toss in the Traveler for lulz and the potential for grabbing a Multi-melta.

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Post  Rhaevyn on Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:59 pm

The nice thing about that unit Tom(planes).... is that it can only shoot at one thing a turn. and you only get 5 shooting phases. gimme a bunch of different units that can spread fire around and i'm much happier.

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Post  Rhaevyn on Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:24 am

Mark.

thought about putting devestation banner on a RW command squad?

start shooting phase in range of one set of bolter units. : units fire
Turbo-boost banner in range of another set of bolter units : those units fire...
pinball back and forth the next turn!

Profit!

haha. so gimicky it hurts.

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Post  Guest on Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:15 am

New Turbo-boost has also allowed for some Orky shenannigans with wazdakka. He can fire the dakkacannon on turns that he boosts.

I like how flags are receiving great importance in 6th new codeces. (Banner of Wrath/Vengeance/Excess for chaos) I hope all the new codeces will get more flags on the table. It just makes war so much better!

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Post  Lore Weaver on Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:41 am

My problem with the Ravenwing Command Squad is it's only 3 models. If you attach Sammael to it, it's pretty cool, as he can tank everything (2++!)

I'd be leary about buying a bunch of models then having a FAQ come out saying, "No Twin-Linked Bolters with your devastation banner"

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Post  Roland on Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:18 am

canadin wrote:New Turbo-boost has also allowed for some Orky shenannigans with wazdakka. He can fire the dakkacannon on turns that he boosts.

I like how flags are receiving great importance in 6th new codeces. (Banner of Wrath/Vengeance/Excess for chaos) I hope all the new codeces will get more flags on the table. It just makes war so much better!

I'm confused. How can he shoot?

"TURBO-BOOST
Bikes and letbikes cannot Run, but
can make a special Turbo-boost move,
instead of firing in their Shooting phase.
Turbo-boosting Bikes move up to 12",
turbo-boosting Jetbikes move up to 24" .
Controlling their Bikes at such speeds
takes all the riders' concentration and
skill, however. Bikes and letbikes
therefore cannot shoot, charge or
execute any other voluntary action for
the rest of the turn after Turbo-boosting."
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Re: DEVASTATION Angels

Post  dusktiger on Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:48 am

its an adam thing. like 11 man rhinos Razz

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Post  da bear on Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:55 am

Hey I've been looking for the rhinos for my wolves and still cant find them anywhere lol

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Re: DEVASTATION Angels

Post  Lore Weaver on Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:02 pm

Your rhino's are missing!?

Wazzdakka has a special rule that he can shoot the same turn he turbo-boosts. Might be covered in the Ork FAQ, not sure.

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Post  Roland on Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:08 pm

Ah, don't use him and honestly havent looked at the ork faq much the last few months.

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Post  System Commander on Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:09 pm

The dude killed a titan, surely hes figured out to pull the trigger while stepping on the gas.

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Re: DEVASTATION Angels

Post  Roland on Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:15 pm

Given the way he's written I thingk the issue would be LETTING GO of the trigger and STEPPING OFF of the gas....

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Post  Guest on Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:30 am

Wazdakka Gutsmek iz da fastest and meanest Ork Mek Boss dere IS!!!

'E'z krumpted everyfing from Titan's to other bosses to da Galaxy itself!!!!

WAAAAAGGGHHH!!!!!!!

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