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Post  Roland on Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:32 am

Say ....

BS 4
AV 11/11/11
2 Twinlinked Autocannon or 1 TL LasC
Hover mode option

I'm just throwing out numbers but what's fair? 100-125?

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Re: hypothetical flyer

Post  Spamus Eatus on Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:54 am

I would say somewhere between 125-140 depending on weapon selection and if it was a fixed forward or turret mounted weapon.

Basically I took a TLAC dreadnought and considered the greatly improved mobility that it would have, and then extracted a rectal numerical figure.

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Post  Planes on Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:55 am

Any other special rules to it? Transport capacity, or gun cutter type thing? As a gun cutter that seems about fair to me.

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Re: hypothetical flyer

Post  Roland on Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:16 am

I'm assuming fixed forward, no transport. Think of it as a SM fighter.

Oh and I forgot. 2 HP.

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Re: hypothetical flyer

Post  Lore Weaver on Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:24 am

110, that'd bring it in line with the dakkajet. +1AV -1HP, 4 S7 AP4 twin-linked shots..., compares well to 9 BS2(3) S6 AP4 shots.

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Re: hypothetical flyer

Post  Roland on Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:34 am

So.... if I add 12 man transport capacity (including termies) and made it a DT that'd drop it to 100 even? (NightScythe?)

JK looking at a hypothetical baseline. This would be a pretty basic model. Its a flyer and covers your anti air with pretty established weapons (its basically equal to the Aegis line quad gun). AV for flyers seems to be 10-12, with 11 being average.

Comparitively, the Nightscythe and Valkyrie are WAY undercosted, and several are paying points for stuff they will basrely use (Stormtalon armored ceramite, I'd rather it was a 15-20 point upgrade)

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Re: hypothetical flyer

Post  Lore Weaver on Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:45 am

Scythe carries 15. :-)

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Re: hypothetical flyer

Post  Roland on Wed Nov 28, 2012 10:51 am

I wouldnt want it to be OVER powered.....Wink

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Re: hypothetical flyer

Post  Rhaevyn on Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:49 pm

I think you have to start with the hell talon, which is 10/10/10/2 with 2 reaper auto cannons for 125 points. Add points for 1AV and Hover and cargo capacity to taste. I'd say for a usable aircraft, you'de need to keep it under 150 points.

I think that these would be a lot better if they could pick up vector dancer.

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Re: hypothetical flyer

Post  Roland on Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:56 pm

I believe its 115, but I'm yeah, I'm adding +1AV and 12" of range effectively....

Offhand, I'd say it's roughly equal to a Rifleman. You can shoot at anything, but you're limited on damage to high AV (13-14), you're immune to small arms, but if someone has Skyfire/INterceptor you will not be long for the world. 125-135 pts?

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Re: hypothetical flyer

Post  Rhaevyn on Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:02 pm

Aeronautica lists at 125. not sure if it was cheaper in the older book. it is a little over-costed in any case. I dont know why the reaper pays a range cost for being twin linked, for some reason every imperial autocannon ever fielded is twin-linked as well.

it is a little over-costed in any case. as long as your hypothetical flyer doesn't have transport capacity, I'd say 135 is reasonable compared to other flyers available.

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Re: hypothetical flyer

Post  Aegwymourn on Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:10 pm

Its because chaos has long lost the technology of duct-tape. Their Imperial counterparts on the other hand just say "oh one gun, might as well duct-tape this other one next to it!" Razz

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Re: hypothetical flyer

Post  dusktiger on Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:28 pm

the fighter went up..10-20 points, and the bomber dropped around 60 points in the aeronautica book. the bomber also went from apoc-only to normal 40k. i think darren has a copy on the shelf right now unless someone got to it.

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Re: hypothetical flyer

Post  System Commander on Wed Nov 28, 2012 1:50 pm

I likey the Helltalon !

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