Mindshackle / Challenges
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Mindshackle / Challenges
Oh.. The conundrum. Just bringing this up because im facing Mark this friday with my challenge crazy chaos marines.. And thisll prob come up.
Shackles and challenges both happen at the start of the fight sub phase. The only logical thing i can come up with is that when two thimgs happen at the same time.. The player whose turn it is decides the order.
So my turn... Charge happens. I opt for shackles to go off.. Then issue challenge.. Hopefully ensuring my challenger doesnt get shackled. If the necrons charged.. He prob opt for challenge to go first.. Everyone moves then shackles go off.
Does this sound right to you. I wish gw would of faq'd this.. But it seems to me it should work this way?
Shackles and challenges both happen at the start of the fight sub phase. The only logical thing i can come up with is that when two thimgs happen at the same time.. The player whose turn it is decides the order.
So my turn... Charge happens. I opt for shackles to go off.. Then issue challenge.. Hopefully ensuring my challenger doesnt get shackled. If the necrons charged.. He prob opt for challenge to go first.. Everyone moves then shackles go off.
Does this sound right to you. I wish gw would of faq'd this.. But it seems to me it should work this way?
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Re: Mindshackle / Challenges
I believe this was faq'd. Or something to do with shackles and challenges was...
gluvzer- Lord of Titan/Hero of ToonCon/Ayatollah of Rock n' Rolla
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Re: Mindshackle / Challenges
Scarabs happen "before blows are struck". So Challenges -> Shackles | Although, the one trick is, if I'm in base-to-base with another dude, I don't leave base-to-base with that guy to accept the challenge, necessarily.
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Re: Mindshackle / Challenges
Hmm.. But both are at the beginning of the fight sub phase... It seems to me they are simultaneous.
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Re: Mindshackle / Challenges
Here's what it says in the FAQ:
“At the start of the Fight subphase,
after charges have been made, but before any blows are
struck, randomly select a non-vehicle enemy model in base
contact with the bearer of the mindshackle scarabs.”
Could be simultaneous, in which case, it'd come down to whose turn it is to determine which happens first.
“At the start of the Fight subphase,
after charges have been made, but before any blows are
struck, randomly select a non-vehicle enemy model in base
contact with the bearer of the mindshackle scarabs.”
Could be simultaneous, in which case, it'd come down to whose turn it is to determine which happens first.
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Re: Mindshackle / Challenges
Those guys.. they just half faqd it.
A general search throughout the interwebs garners the same conclusion.. Its simul.
Lets see how others weigh in on it.
It may not even come up.. But im sure it will some day..
A general search throughout the interwebs garners the same conclusion.. Its simul.
Lets see how others weigh in on it.
It may not even come up.. But im sure it will some day..
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Re: Mindshackle / Challenges
I've got a Destroyer Lord with Scarabs in my list. He'll be assaulting something :-)
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Re: Mindshackle / Challenges
I guess i should of.clarified that. Ive only failed one scarab test so im ill pass it.. No problem.
And now that ive jinxed myself.. Ill never pass it again
And now that ive jinxed myself.. Ill never pass it again
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Re: Mindshackle / Challenges
Funny, i've never passed a mindshackle test. maybe i'm due to pass some.
i virtually gave up ever meleeing Crons. 50% chance to get screwed in the butt by a 25 point upgrade makes for an unhappy melee monster.
i virtually gave up ever meleeing Crons. 50% chance to get screwed in the butt by a 25 point upgrade makes for an unhappy melee monster.
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Re: Mindshackle / Challenges
I would agree that they are simultaneous
So the active player gets to choose order.
You charge, have a mook B2B the Lord, or nobody (if there is a unit model like a warrior to B2B with), Trigger scarabs, then challenge
You get charged, Necron guy challenges, and then shackles your challenge guy.
So the active player gets to choose order.
You charge, have a mook B2B the Lord, or nobody (if there is a unit model like a warrior to B2B with), Trigger scarabs, then challenge
You get charged, Necron guy challenges, and then shackles your challenge guy.
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Re: Mindshackle / Challenges
Rhaevyn wrote: i virtually gave up ever meleeing Crons. 50% chance to get screwed in the butt by a 25 point upgrade makes for an unhappy melee monster.
15 points
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Re: Mindshackle / Challenges
Psychotrokes are also 15.. But you dont get a roll to avoid it and theres a chance the whole unit will hit itself.
I have no idea how that piece of wargear got created.
Psychos alone make me not to hard on mindshackles..
I have no idea how that piece of wargear got created.
Psychos alone make me not to hard on mindshackles..
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