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Post  System Commander on Sun Oct 07, 2012 10:04 am

Ohh.. This model looks ugly. 90$ for two sprues. Ackk.. Im sure glad i got it for 25% off.

Now.. To figure out how to fix it up. I want to close the mouth if i can.. Shorten the neck a bit and figure out how give it a bit longer torso in the back.

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Post  Lore Weaver on Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:17 am

You'll have it looking like this in no time...

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Re: Heldrake

Post  gluvzer on Sun Oct 07, 2012 12:06 pm

Memories! I loved epic so much. I wish they never would have:

1. Ruined it, and then
2. Given up on it after ruining it.

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Post  ScottRadom on Sun Oct 07, 2012 4:43 pm

gluvzer wrote:1. Ruined it, and then
2. Given up on it after ruining it.

That's the tech for rockin' the bar sluts!

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Post  Rhaevyn on Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:13 pm

I purchased my first new models for CSM 6th edition too!..... a Vendetta to ally in and cover up the gaping hole in air defense.

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Post  Lore Weaver on Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:54 pm

I grabbed a forgefiend. We'll see how swappable the kit is. (Last day of 25% off was today)

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Post  Matthew G on Tue Oct 09, 2012 12:35 pm

Im glad i dont play chaos because i agree it is so ugly.. I mean it wouldnt be too bad if it actually had a rear end. What kinda dragon doesnt have a tail... I mean really...

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Post  Rhaevyn on Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:43 pm

The real question is why a dragon at all. Why not just a mutated hell talon? Or a version of the storm pidgeon?

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Post  System Commander on Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:55 pm

Its alot better seeing the model instead of pictures.. and theres a few things you can do with it to help out.

Cant speak for the fiends though.. Just picked up the heldrake


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Post  gluvzer on Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:14 pm

Rhaevyn wrote:The real question is why a dragon at all. Why not just a mutated hell talon? Or a version of the storm pidgeon?

Exactly.

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Re: Heldrake

Post  System Commander on Tue Oct 09, 2012 2:51 pm

I agree 100%

If and when they make fw 100& swappable.. Ill get a helltalon fast.

What i really would like are something similar to dreadclaws or at the very least a stormraven equivelent. Something to deliver berserkers fast. Im tired of riding in rhinos..

Id also be very very tempted by a Caestus assault vehicle.. Those are nice

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Post  Lore Weaver on Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:50 pm

If I were to take a helldrake, I'd grab that S6 Ap3 Torrent Flamer for it.

I'm a hades autocannon fan, but the Helldrake doesn't have interceptor. Vector Strike and Zoom FTW.

Key thinks that make it slightly better than average, it's got a daemon save, so doesn't have to "evade" to get it's 5++ save.
It can hover on one turn to move around and stay on the board (no requirement to fly off, although a 4th turn fly-off isn't bad still)
S7 Vector Strikes against flyers while zooming is a pretty easy thing to arrange.

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Post  Guest on Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:34 pm

Can you Jink Vector Strikes?

Its something I have been wondering as they are not really mellee or rly ranged attacks?

Same thing with Sweep attack, can you take cover?

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Post  Lore Weaver on Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:13 pm

Can't jink Vector Strikes, as cover saves are not permitted against a vector strike. It's D3+1 hits against... side armour. S7 AP3. Kinda middling. Would work great against Ork flyers, or anything with side armour 10/11. Side armour 12/13 is a problem. Monoliths and Land Raiders are a no-go.

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Post  Rhaevyn on Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:36 pm

vector strikes are not good. i don't care how many people bring it up, its just not good.

your not going to kill anything important with a vector strike... if you average 3 hits, 1.5 of them is going to glance most things... which doesn't kill them...... and like I've said before, the minute you vector strike something, you immediately show whatever you flew over your av 10 ass. because you don't have vector dancer. getting shot down to deliver 2-4 str 7 hits on side armor and a single flamer isn't worth 170 points. 145, maybe. 130... they would have sold thousands of them. 170... pfft!

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Post  Lore Weaver on Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:15 pm

Agreed Mike. I have no interest in buying one, it just doesn't fill a role for me.

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Post  Termagant on Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:38 pm

I don't think vector strike is a good idea at all. I have to fly over something to get a few hits and then I am facing the wrong direction.

My HT can do it but I usually want to use a psychic power and a devourer rather than Vector striking something simply because it's a target of opportunity.

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Post  Lord_Commander_Stash on Wed Oct 10, 2012 3:36 pm

Rhaevyn wrote:I purchased my first new models for CSM 6th edition too!..... a Vendetta to ally in and cover up the gaping hole in air defense.

Ive seriously been thinking of leaving my vendetta and accompanying ally slots at the den, charging $10 and going 50/50 with Darren. I would TOTALLY do it if I owned hydras.

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Post  Lord_Commander_Stash on Wed Oct 10, 2012 3:37 pm

Termagant wrote:I don't think vector strike is a good idea at all. I have to fly over something to get a few hits and then I am facing the wrong direction.

My HT can do it but I usually want to use a psychic power and a devourer rather than Vector striking something simply because it's a target of opportunity.

Its better than running at something and assaulting it. You are harder to shoot at and you get more hits generally and dont get hit back.

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Re: Heldrake

Post  Lord_Commander_Stash on Wed Oct 10, 2012 3:38 pm

gluvzer wrote:
Rhaevyn wrote:The real question is why a dragon at all. Why not just a mutated hell talon? Or a version of the storm pidgeon?

Exactly.


Probably because the valkyrie release clobbered forgeworld sales. Why sell 2 varieties of the same model for two different prices, when you could sell two different models.

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