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Post  Lore Weaver on Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:37 am

Each Ark gets a Stormtek with a Lightning Field. If I'm off by 20pts, I'd probably drop the MSS from the lords and maybe add the crystal thingy to the storm teks??? Doesn't matter really (as the lords can't challenge / be challenged)

So, AV13 Spam, all with jink saves + Necron saves on shaken and stunned results. You assault almost anything and you're getting hit, Assaulting a chariot Lord is a tad scary (T5, 2+ save, Warscythe). You assault an Ark you're taking 10 overwatch shots + D6 S8 Ap5 hits from the lightning field.

Annihilation Barges are now amazing.

If you drop scarabs, switch up some crypteks or do some other goofyness, you can bump it up to 6 Annihilation Barges.

HQ---

1. Necron Overlord 90
Scythe 10, Barge 80 (Tesla), Scarabs 15
Court
storm tek with field = 35(?)
= 230

2. Necron Overlord 90
Scythe 10, Barge 80 (Tesla), Scarabs 15
Court
storm tek with field = 35(?)
= 230

3. Necron Overlord 90
Scythe 10, Barge 80 (Tesla), Scarabs 15
Court
storm tek with field = 35(?)
= 230

4. Necron Overlord 90
Scythe 10, Barge 80 (Tesla), Scarabs 15
Court
storm tek with field = 35(?)
= 230

Total = 920 (940?)

Troops---

1. 5xWarriors in a Ghost Ark = 180
2. 5xWarriors in a Ghost Ark = 180
3. 5xWarriors in a Ghost Ark = 180
4. 5xWarriors in a Ghost Ark = 180

= 720

Heavy Support---

1. Annihilation Barge (Guass/Tesla) = 90
2. Annihilation Barge (Guass/Tesla) = 90
3. Annihilation Barge (Guass/Tesla) = 90
4. Annihilation Barge (Guass/Tesla) = 90

= 360

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Post  Planes on Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:48 am

You can get rid of the question marks, the bug zappers are indeed 35 points a head. This list brings up two major questions, though.

1) Are you really going to drop that much cash for 5 more barges and 2 more arks?

and perhaps more importantly

2) Does the field proc when you charge the Ghost Ark?


In all honesty, though, with so few Warriors, and all of them hiding inside, the Ghost Arks will never get a chance to do what makes them cost so flipping much.

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Post  Lore Weaver on Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:54 am

Hrm... that's a great question Tom. I don't know if he does or not.

How much is an abyssal dude without the veil? He'd be good in there, D3 S8(against LD) AP2 hits on Overwatch is also good, but I really like having the 4 haywire shots in the Ark, so I'd probably leave it as is. (LOL, 4 haywire shots on overwatch... that'd be funny if you wrecked a walker with a lucky roll)

In my opinion, resurrecting warriors is more gimmick than points value. The arks with 5 warriors putting out, potentially, 30 shots a turn in mid game is what makes them worth it (and they'll likely make it to mid-end game, most of the time).

Also, with everything being AV 13, the only thing that might cause issues is S8+ (S7... glance all you want on 6's, it'll take 4 glances to down an Ark, none of those suppressing, and I get a 5+ save, 4+ if I flat-out).

Literally, the only thing that can reliably stop this army is assaulting the vehicles, but man, are you going to get shot to heck when that's done.

Edit: Ya, no, I won't be paying money for 5 more Barge kits and two more Ark kits for a points value that I'll play maybe 3 times a year. I'll be content with 2 surfboards and 2 d-lords for those games.

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Post  Rhaevyn on Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:59 am

I see your crazy and i raise you...


1861 Pts - Chaos Marines Roster

Total Roster Cost: 1850

HQ: Daemon Prince (1#, 135 pts)
1 Daemon Prince, 135 pts = (base cost 110 + Mark of Slaanesh 5 + Lash of Submission x1 20)

HQ: Daemon Prince (1#, 135 pts)
1 Daemon Prince, 135 pts = (base cost 110 + Mark of Slaanesh 5 + Lash of Submission x1 20)

HQ: Daemon Prince (1#, 135 pts)
1 Daemon Prince, 135 pts = (base cost 110 + Mark of Slaanesh 5 + Lash of Submission x1 20)

HQ: Daemon Prince (1#, 135 pts)
1 Daemon Prince, 135 pts = (base cost 110 + Mark of Slaanesh 5 + Lash of Submission x1 20)

Troops: Chaos Space Marines (6#, 120 pts)
5 Chaos Space Marines, 85 pts = 5 * 15 (base cost 15) + Meltagun x1 10
1 Rhino, 35 pts

Troops: Chaos Space Marines (6#, 120 pts)
5 Chaos Space Marines, 85 pts = 5 * 15 (base cost 15) + Meltagun x1 10
1 Rhino, 35 pts

Troops: Chaos Space Marines (5#, 85 pts)
5 Chaos Space Marines, 85 pts = 5 * 15 (base cost 15) + Meltagun x1 10

Troops: Chaos Space Marines (5#, 85 pts)
5 Chaos Space Marines, 85 pts = 5 * 15 (base cost 15) + Meltagun x1 10

Heavy Support: Obliterators (2#, 150 pts)
2 Obliterators, 150 pts = 2 * 75

Heavy Support: Obliterators (2#, 150 pts)
2 Obliterators, 150 pts = 2 * 75

Heavy Support: Obliterators (2#, 150 pts)
2 Obliterators, 150 pts = 2 * 75

Heavy Support: Obliterators (2#, 150 pts)
2 Obliterators, 150 pts = 2 * 75

Heavy Support: Obliterators (2#, 150 pts)
2 Obliterators, 150 pts = 2 * 75

Heavy Support: Obliterators (2#, 150 pts)
2 Obliterators, 150 pts = 2 * 75



ALLIES

Chaos Daemons Roster

Total Roster Cost: 139

HQ: The Masque (1#, 100 pts)
1 The Masque, 100 pts

Troops: Nurglings (3#, 39 pts)
3 Nurglings, 39 pts = 3 * 13

Because why stop at 4 lashes when you can add Pavane?




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Post  Planes on Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:00 pm

For just the Fear Thrower it's 30 points a head, but Str 8 against Leadership will have a tough time wounding without aid from Deathmarks. And it's AP 1, not 2. That would probably be more impressive if it could actually hurt a tank, though.

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Post  Lore Weaver on Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:02 pm

I think these two lists would match well against each other... they are both ridiculous.

You do realize I would hypothetically make all my "Deny the Witch" rolls! *laughs*

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Post  Planes on Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:05 pm

Personally, the Chaos list scares me more, as with a heavy mech list, and given the simple size of most Necron transports, I am almost guaranteed to hit two targets with one Death Ray. On the other hand, the few Oblits on the field will be scattered everywhere, and the Princes will see to it that anyone on my side that isn't in transport is getting ready for the photo shoot, and by photo shoot, I mean Plasma Cannon Barrage.

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Post  Guest on Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:25 pm

I just don't see either of those armies as being much more effective than what you could get with a single FoC/Allies at 2000 points.

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Post  Rhaevyn on Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:31 pm

I call it the Oracle of Dhoooom list. my opponent is a rabbit, and i slit you open, swirl my fingers around in your guts for a while, and then set you on fire.

the worst part is that its a fully operational list, decent scoring... i dont think anyone is going to be firing at my marines or nurglings... Many Threats. I count 11 targets that have to be dealt with or they are earning thier points every turn.

and with but a few proxies(i need another 3 obliterators) i could field that list tomorrow.


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Post  Rhaevyn on Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:37 pm

The problem is multiplying/multiplying undercosted/over usefull choices that are usually kept in check by the FoC.

with allies @ 1999 points you get 3 HQ. double FOC @ 2000 points gives you 5HQ's. there are reasons that HQ slots are limited to 2.

Its not a problem if people build balanced lists. its definitely a problem when you spam out your armies "raison d'etre"



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Post  miv305 on Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:52 pm

With all due respect Mike/Mark your lists are garbage compared to what IG could do...enjoy playing against 6 scoring Vendetta's backed up with 2 Hydra Squadrons and 3-4 Manticores Sad

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Post  Guest on Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:13 pm

Vehicles never score, except in Big Guns Never Tire (Heavy Support) or The Scouring (Fast Attack).

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Post  miv305 on Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:31 pm

Rumor has it Vendetta's can carry troops Smile

They can also deploy without having to hover, unless it's been FAQ'd that is!

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Post  Lore Weaver on Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:37 pm

miv305 wrote:Rumor has it Vendetta's can carry troops Smile

They can also deploy without having to hover, unless it's been FAQ'd that is!

You have to disembark to score with the dudes inside (unless it's the "Scouring" mission), and you have to hover to disembark (unless you're a Nighscythe).

I agree though Mike, that list is a tad scary. I'd happily shoot a bunch of Annihilation Barges at it though, those things will get between 3 & 6 hits on snapfires. With 3 hits, I've got a good chance at getting a glance or a pen, and my entire list gets jink saves, and the chariots can run over the flyers. Aren't Hydra's S7? If so.... I don't really care about them, they can attempt to glance all they want.

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Post  Roland on Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:39 pm

FAQ says they can disembark while moving Flat out. I really havent gone over the flyer rules with a magnifying glass yet, so I have no idea if they means Hover or Zooming.

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Post  Rhaevyn on Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:01 pm

Agreed.

The whole point of the post is to show just how dumb "doubling down" is at that point level.


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Post  Lore Weaver on Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:16 pm

oh man.... that's the best gif ever, and the perfect analogy.

Yes it's two, but there's one more set of bacon, cheese, and sauce.

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Post  Planes on Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:37 pm

I see you your doubled double down, and I raise you an $80 whopper from Japan!



They had a promotion briefly where you could add 10 strips of bacon for $1.25 or some such, so someone decided to see how far they could take it.

The moral of this story? Don't be surprised to see someone field 6 full squads of Scarabs backed by Spyders. What's that? Ready for both the fast attack and heavy support scoring missions? Booyah.

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Post  Lore Weaver on Fri Jul 06, 2012 3:39 pm

wow... that burger is like... the evolution of man.

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Post  Planes on Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:21 pm

Did you just shoop Pizza the Hut's face on there?!

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Post  Rhaevyn on Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:51 pm

ok, my picture. i could have considered eating it, with a knife and fork, during a football game, with a beer... to show off for the guys.

that bacon wopper is just gross. i never thought there was such a thing as too much bacon, but you found it.

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Post  Lore Weaver on Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:58 pm

Double-Double-Down.... just do some mouth exercises, it'll fit.

I kindof agree on the bacon burger... I'm not sure if it looked like that before or after digestion.

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Post  Aegwymourn on Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:44 pm

I was going to post something intelligent about 2k armies, but i got lost in pizza the huts eyes....

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Post  gluvzer on Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:28 pm

lololol!!

2000 Pts Grey Knights Roster

1 Inquisitor Coteaz, 100 pts

1 Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband, 62 pts
3 Warrior Acolyte (Chainsword; Laspistol)
1 Razorback (Psybolt Ammunition)

1 Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband, 62 pts
3 Warrior Acolyte (Chainsword; Laspistol)
1 Razorback (Psybolt Ammunition)

1 Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband, 62 pts
3 Warrior Acolyte (Chainsword; Laspistol)
1 Razorback (Psybolt Ammunition)

1 Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband, 62 pts
3 Warrior Acolyte (Chainsword; Laspistol)
1 Razorback (Psybolt Ammunition)

1 Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband, 62 pts
3 Warrior Acolyte (Chainsword; Laspistol)
1 Razorback (Psybolt Ammunition)

1 Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband, 62 pts
3 Warrior Acolyte (Chainsword; Laspistol)
1 Razorback (Psybolt Ammunition)

1 Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband, 62 pts
3 Warrior Acolyte (Chainsword; Laspistol)
1 Razorback (Psybolt Ammunition)

1 Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband, 62 pts
3 Warrior Acolyte (Chainsword; Laspistol)
1 Razorback (Psybolt Ammunition)

1 Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband, 62 pts
3 Warrior Acolyte (Chainsword; Laspistol)
1 Razorback (Psybolt Ammunition)

1 Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband, 62 pts
3 Warrior Acolyte (Chainsword; Laspistol)
1 Razorback (Psybolt Ammunition)

1 Inquisitorial Henchmen Warband, 62 pts
3 Warrior Acolyte (Chainsword; Laspistol)
1 Razorback (Psybolt Ammunition)

1 Dreadnought, 135 pts (Psybolt Ammunition; Twin-Linked Autocannon; Twin-Linked Autocannon)

1 Dreadnought, 135 pts (Psybolt Ammunition; Twin-Linked Autocannon; Twin-Linked Autocannon)

1 Dreadnought, 135 pts (Psybolt Ammunition; Twin-Linked Autocannon; Twin-Linked Autocannon)

1 Dreadnought, 135 pts (Psybolt Ammunition; Twin-Linked Autocannon; Twin-Linked Autocannon)

1 Dreadnought, 135 pts (Psybolt Ammunition; Twin-Linked Autocannon; Twin-Linked Autocannon)

1 Dreadnought, 135 pts (Psybolt Ammunition; Twin-Linked Autocannon; Twin-Linked Autocannon)

Total Roster Cost: 1592


So that still leaves 408 point for other stuff! 2 charts isn't that retarded....

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