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Post  gluvzer on Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:00 am

But it says Flakk is an an upgrade option, it doesn't say all missile launchers just get them. It's something that needs to be FAQ'd or was missed in the codex FAQ's already.

I agree fliers are going to be stoopid untill armies get some proper weapons that can fire skyfire and against ground targets. What the hell would you do facining 3-9 Vendetta's lol!

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Post  Roland on Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:13 am

It's for sure not in any of the SM faqs. It is for sure listed as an option for ML along w/ frag/krak in the BRB. I do not recall it being called an "upgrade" anywhere in the BRB. (My book is at home ATM.)
Ryan/Mike, what section did you see it in? (Not being argumentitive, I havent had the chance to go over the book with a fine-tooth comb yet)

Given the stats (48", Str7, AP4, Heavy1, Skyfire) I cannot imagine them charging for it.

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Post  Lore Weaver on Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:26 am

"AII missile launchers come with ftagand krak missiles as
standard, and sorne have the option to upgrade to include flakk
missiles. Each time a missile launcher fires, the controlling
player must choose which rype of missile is being used,"


Edit: Wow, that cut-and-paste sucked. The important part is "some have the option to upgrade to include flakk missiles." I'm betting this'll be addressed in a future Vanilla Marine codex.

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Post  Roland on Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:45 am

My take on that is that is they are lumping cyclone/typhoon whatnot in with convential ML, neither of which has the option of taking Flakk (kinda silly for LS doncha think?)

If its a "pay-for" upgrade... Noone has it. It is literally in none of the FAQS "Add upgrade to Flakk missiles... +5 pts" or what have you.

I'll go thru the BRB again tonight

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Post  Deadlytoaster on Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:01 am

just take your own fliers or allies that do i guess... Sad

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Post  Planes on Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:06 am

Of note, fliers are immune to "templates (flamers) and blasts", but no mention is made of 1mm width lines...

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Post  Deadlytoaster on Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:07 am

But Death Rays are on fliers anyways arnt they? haha

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Post  Planes on Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:10 am

Yes, but it also means that the Staff of the Destroyer can peg it, too. Footie Death Ray!

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Post  gluvzer on Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:14 am

Roland wrote:My take on that is that is they are lumping cyclone/typhoon whatnot in with convential ML, neither of which has the option of taking Flakk (kinda silly for LS doncha think?)

If its a "pay-for" upgrade... Noone has it. It is literally in none of the FAQS "Add upgrade to Flakk missiles... +5 pts" or what have you.

I'll go thru the BRB again tonight

There are rules for Flakk missiles, but so far no one can take them. There is nothing in the BRB or any codex about upgrading to them.

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Post  Roland on Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:30 am

Ryan: so if an upgrade is free and available to all basic missile launchers, is it really an upgrade?Smile Email to GW time... maybe we'll get a response before 7th...

Back to the FOC and multiple detachments:

I cant help but notice the new WD has a a 2500 pt battle..... with a single detachment each.


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Post  System Commander on Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:39 am

Im pretty sure i remember something similar happening when 5TH was launched.. Brb had an entry that no one else.

This isnt exactly the same thing.. But close. Im sure we'll hear shortly about ml upgrades for skyfire. Flyers can be scary and armies are going to have some options to deal with them

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Post  gluvzer on Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:09 pm

Roland wrote:Ryan: so if an upgrade is free and available to all basic missile launchers, is it really an upgrade?Smile Email to GW time... maybe we'll get a response before 7th...

The rule is pretty clear that it says "some" missile launchers can upgrade. It does not, however, mention which missile launchers these are. It doesn't say anything about being free either. We will probably be seeing this in codex's to come. So hopefully some armies that could benefit will only have to wait a couple years..

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Post  Rhaevyn on Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:12 pm

smart money gives all "missile launchers" with access to frag and krak the free upgrade to Flak as well. its just not implicitly stated anywhere... yet.

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Re: 6th books

Post  Roland on Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:23 pm

Well I sent off an email to GW Faqs asking for clarification. It annoys me they can't be clear on such stuff, when I feel the new BRB is much easier to follow than the last 2.

I think we're all pretty much in agreement with what it SHOULD be, correct? Pretty much what Mike wrote?

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Post  System Commander on Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:36 pm

You never know what those crazy bastards have planned.

Would you be surprised if the chaos book came out with havocs that can upgrade to frakk missikes.. But thwen nothing else in the game got it?

Logic dictates it would be an option for missile launchers, I would guess with a point cost.. .. Potentially.. But i definitely wouldnt put money on it.. Thats for sure.

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Post  Lore Weaver on Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:41 pm

It'd definitely make the AP3 nerf much easier to swallow, and leave the Missile Launcher as a versatile weapon. Right now, there's no reason to take a Missle Launcher over a Plasma Cannon. Plasma's better in almost every situation.

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Post  Roland on Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:45 pm

AP3 nerf? did I miss something?

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Post  Lore Weaver on Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:51 pm

AP3 can only destroy a vehicle on a roll of "6" because of the new damage chart. AP2 gets +1, AP1 gets +2 (Yay AP1 Warscythes... broken Necrons)

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Post  Roland on Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:54 pm

Ah yes.... I dont really consider it a nerf to AP3 as it is a change to all vehicles. I mean I can now glance a vehicle to death.

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Post  Deadlytoaster on Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:58 pm

i would like to see something like only chaos marines getting flakk missiles not ALL marines

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Post  Planes on Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:03 pm

Well, I think the current Marine solution to fliers is the Storm Talon, isn't it?

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Post  Deadlytoaster on Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:17 pm

No its a squad of allied imerial guard flak tanks

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Post  Roland on Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:27 pm

Both of which require existing armies to buy wholly new models.

I think its rather obvious the intention for the Flakk missile is a Skyfire option for existing armies (no fort. no allies, no fliers), as BT, DA, SW etc have no fliers avaliable to them except as allies. (to use SM as an example).

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Post  Rhaevyn on Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:16 pm

Roland wrote:Both of which require existing armies to buy wholly new models.

I think its rather obvious the intention for the Flakk missile is a Skyfire option for existing armies (no fort. no allies, no fliers), as BT, DA, SW etc have no fliers avaliable to them except as allies. (to use SM as an example).

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Post  System Commander on Wed Jul 04, 2012 2:22 pm

Whatever you do.. Do not underestimate the power of gw to go against the obvious.

Damn.. I wish i could remember what it was last edition.. Or when a codex came out.. the whole 40k community made an assumption till gw shat on it.

Damn.. What the hell was that.. Somethng from space wolves maybe..

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