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Post  jjakaalbinoboy on Thu May 31, 2012 5:25 am

OK, so how about this list then:

HQ: 1 Company Command Squad (Plasma gun x4) (165 pts)
1 Chimera (Heavy Flamer)

Troops: Veteran Squad (170 pts)
1 Veteran Squad (Plasma gun x3)
1 Chimera (Heavy Flamer)

Troops: Veteran Squad (170 pts)
1 Veteran Squad (Plasma gun x3)
1 Chimera (Heavy Flamer)

Troops: Veteran Squad (155 pts)
1 Veteran Squad (Meltagun x3)
1 Chimera (Heavy Flamer)

Fast Attack: 1 Hellhound (Heavy Flamer) (130 pts)

Heavy Support: 1 Manticore Rocket Launcher (160 pts)

Heavy Support: 1 Leman Russ Battle Tank (150 pts)

Heavy Support: Hydra Flak Tank Battery (150 pts)
2 Hydra Flak Tank

Total Roster Cost: 1,250

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Post  Lore Weaver on Thu May 31, 2012 5:06 pm

Looks okay.

I don't play Guard so I'm no expert. Only thing I'd comment on is that I'm not a fan of Plasma on low armour troops, but I've seen it work.

Maybe Ryan or Tim will have an opinion on it?

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Post  System Commander on Thu May 31, 2012 5:21 pm

You'll be making a few armies nervous with all that plasma.. I like it.

The last few games I played with the Grey Knights I realized the thing I'm most paranoid abut are plasma cannons and plasma guns. I dont mind taking a melta gun here and there.. but a bunch of rapid firing plasma makes me nervous.

It's definitely got a few answers for everything.. except Assault but then.. when does the guard ever worry about assaults.

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Post  Planes on Thu May 31, 2012 5:27 pm

Isn't the guard answer to Assault to let the one squad die so the other five can start shooting again?

Truth be told, this is the first heavily mechanized IG list I've seen in a while. I might have to see how my 'Crons can handle all those metal boxes at some point in the future. That is a scary amount of plasma.

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Post  Dom.0 on Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:56 pm

As a guard player id have to say toss out the hydras and garb a valkerie or vendeata. Put pask in your L.M.R. and you cant take 4 plasma gun in your compony comand squad. you can take 1 plasma gun and a plasma pistol for your CO but not 4 plasma guns take the regamental standered as well any squad withing 12" can re roll faild leader ship and smething else voxcatsers let you reroll failed orders (but if my opent lets me I trade it in for unlimited order giveing range) i think yea thatit the regamental standered lets me reroll fialed initiitve checkes. and i hope thos heavy flamers on the cimaeras are the forword faceing moute and not the turent because if it is if you move on the same turn you want to shoot on you cant fire them the hellhounds all good and tell me how the maniticore works out.

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Post  System Commander on Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:16 pm

Dom.. Its an anti DE list so be wants hydras for raider killing.. In which they are fantastic at doing

Most of the rest of your post is also wrong.

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Post  gluvzer on Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:58 pm

Dom.0 wrote:As a guard player id have to say toss out the hydras and garb a valkerie or vendeata. Put pask in your L.M.R. and you cant take 4 plasma gun in your compony comand squad. you can take 1 plasma gun and a plasma pistol for your CO but not 4 plasma guns take the regamental standered as well any squad withing 12" can re roll faild leader ship and smething else voxcatsers let you reroll failed orders (but if my opent lets me I trade it in for unlimited order giveing range) i think yea thatit the regamental standered lets me reroll fialed initiitve checkes. and i hope thos heavy flamers on the cimaeras are the forword faceing moute and not the turent because if it is if you move on the same turn you want to shoot on you cant fire them the hellhounds all good and tell me how the maniticore works out.

Wow! Please read your codex and the rules again. You can take up to 5 plasma weapons in a command squad. Hvy flamers on chimera's can move 6" and fire from the hull mount OR turret, it does not matter.

Hydra's are fantastic and cheap. Never take Pask, especially in a regular russ (way over costed and you don't utilize his abilities as much as the other tanks).

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Post  Dom.0 on Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:03 pm

i was looking at my codex and it said i can take a plasma pistol and replace ONE Vetrens Las with a plasma. dident say much more then that i never read anything about more plasma gun guns in ther and jest to make shure i was right i had my codex with me and a staned comand squad ony has 5 guys befor you add the advisors and bodyguards. And body guards are stuck with ther las pistols if im not mistaken unless that 5th plasma gun is a pistol but ill dubble check my codex in case your right. but still a valkrie is more efective agenst the radiers then the hydras and then again hyders and mobile arty are better used in apoc maches but thats my opion. also depeneding on the misson type a mechenized army isent a avery usefull force agenst dark elder i mean iv seen how mech armies are played and the convenaonal guard army style works better mech armies are to spread out and that would wrk to the elders adavtage. Oh lokmat that lone squad over there then that squad get there ciamer blown up then they get shoot at then ther dead betten in. thats the down side to mech armies.

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Post  Dom.0 on Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:36 pm

jest adding on to waht i said when i played doren in PA he played a mobile guard squad agenst me i playd coventual the big resone i was able to almost tie him for kill points was that i targeted the lone cimeras marbo did his job a bit to well. I had him beat untill he moved his Comand Squad up. But still the 15 pts for the regamental standered is completly worth it.

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Post  Roland on Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:38 pm

I'm not even sure where to start..... I'll keep it simple.

Look back on the 'League Champions" thread... which you've commented on.

See the name next to "Imperial Guard" on there? The league wins that gave you hope? Now look at the poster who you commented on.

Notice the name is repeated a few more times on the champs list, with different armies.

I'm not saying that makes him the *BEST* player here, but it might mean he knows a thing or 2 you don't. Like if Hydras would be more effective.

Hydras ARE more effective (and point effecient) for Raider popping.
Foot guard vs DE will die, as you are exposing them to large amounts of poisoned shooting with a weak armor save, vs those splinter rifles trying to pen AV 12. Meanwhile your troops have 6 fire ports to shoot out of, with Heavy weapons, melta, plasma, or massed lasguns. <-- this is the main reason mech works. Its a portable bunker.

If you want to play a foot guard list, that is certainly your perogative. But if you are going to argue list building, please let that have some basis in reality.

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Post  Roland on Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:40 pm

OP: I like the list, I'd be interested in seeing what you'd add to it at 1500/2000 range.

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Post  Dom.0 on Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:53 pm

im not saying his list is shity i mean mobile guard amies genral do realy well but i my mind iv never helly had a use for a hyda because ive only see it as a AA only vehical infact im not even shuer if i can fier on ground target with it. but i siply perfer something more vesatile like my vendtta 3 twin linked las cannons. and the radier is the jet like thing right if so most elder armies only have one. so boom i take that down then i foces on other HVTs lower to the ground. oh and 50 pts for pask is worth is BS of4 and +1 penning on other tanks acordeing to doren up in PA hes mest one the LMR with the 4 twin linked autocannons.

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Post  Roland on Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:10 pm

Hydras can shoot at anything. They are Heavy 4 Str 7/AP4 and twinlinked if I am not mistaken. They will eat light armor (AV10/11) like its a Hershey bar.

I can see why you'd rather have a Vendetta, but bear in mind the Vendetta is more for tank busting (AV12-14).

You've confusing the Raider with a Voidraven or whatever it is called.

A Raider is the little floaty Jabba sail barge that gets DE where they are going. They are apparently made of antigrav devices and cardboard.

A Vendetta shooting at that is overkill. A Hydra shooting at that is right on the money. This is also why his list is loaded w/ Plasma, as it can be used to bring down light armor as well. It has teh side effect of eating Power Armor armies up.

I have no idea what you mean by HVT.

Pask is +50 points. The weaponry spread on a basic Russ is spread out,(Battle cannon and LasC for anit-tank, HB sponsons for infantry) so he's never really THAT effective. I believe Ryan's point was that if you ARE going to use him, take him in the ultra plasma killy Russ (I can't remember the name( or something like that so he IS effective.

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Post  System Commander on Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:43 pm

Pask in a punisher might also be viable if you want to bring one of those. I llike the leman, but the 10 armour in the baxk for the points they cost can be risky. One assault and its toasst.

Hydras are great.. And they are dirt cheap

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Post  System Commander on Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:46 pm

I believe the codex says any member of the command squad can replace their lasgun with a special weapon.

Flamers, meltas, plasma..you can load up. You can only have one heavy i n there..

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Post  Dom.0 on Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:35 pm

dam ok myby i shold get my sefl some hydras i thought they could only hit things like stormhawks and onther things like that and yea miss read my codex (agian) it says the remaining vetrans can take a plasma gun but a regamental standered is 15 pst and in my mined worth the reroll faild inshitive and leadership tests 12" range

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Post  Dom.0 on Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:47 pm

oh yea keep in mind pask has a BS 4 thats a posivite for pask in its own way and the exteamantor is the one with the 4 twin linked auto cannons and the punisher is more of a anit inf the extremantor can at least glance aromore on somthing less then a 6

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Post  dusktiger on Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:26 pm

the point being made with pask and a leman russ punisher being a good combo is that you now took a 20 shot gun and made it hit on a 3+ instead of the usual 4+.

but again, he's a waste of points.

space marines have the same thing, but his name is chronus, and he turns the tank he's in into BS 5, so its hitting on a 2+. but again, its a waste of points. for the cost of a character that costs that much just to give +1 better results on the dice is a joke.

the contemptor dreadnought has the same thing, called a Targeting Augury. it also adds +1 BS, making it a BS 5 dreadnought so it hits on a 2+. know how much it costs? 15 points. paying for an upgrade on a single tank for +1 BS isnt worth it when the cost is equal to several codex entry choices available to you.

for 50pt Pask, guard could buy an extra:
scout sentinel with a variety of wargear options
a ratling squad for 30pts
a company command squad
a priest
an enginseer
another infantry squad
another special weapons squad with choice of special guns

you gotta look at what else your army could buy that makes it that much harder to kill that costs the same amount. that'll make you win more games.

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Post  jjakaalbinoboy on Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:01 pm

Dom.0 wrote:you can take 1 plasma gun and a plasma pistol for your CO but not 4 plasma guns take the regamental standered as well any squad withing 12" can re roll faild leader ship

I'm afraid to say your wrong, you must certainly can take 4 plasma guns in a CCS and another plasma pistol for the officer.

System Commander wrote:Dom.. Its an anti DE list so be wants hydras for raider killing.. In which they are fantastic at doing

Indeed I do and hells yes they are!

Roland wrote:OP: I like the list, I'd be interested in seeing what you'd add to it at 1500/2000 range.

Please see my new thread for a 1,750 pts list http://huntersofthewarp.forumakers.com/t2843-ig-1750-pts-vs-all-comers-tourney-list#24482

Dom.0 wrote:...but i my mind iv never helly had a use for a hyda because ive only see it as a AA only vehical infact im not even shuer if i can fier on ground target with it...

*shakes head in disbelief*

Cheers all for the (mostly) good advice! Much appreciated. Got a tourney coming up soon using the 1,750 pts list linked above if you wana take a look and I can report back how it fairs after the tourney.


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Post  gluvzer on Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:05 pm

I guess I just noticed you're from across the pond!

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Post  Lore Weaver on Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:48 pm

I didn't even look to see that you're from the UK, welcome to our humble forum.


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Post  Dom.0 on Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:32 am

so i take im right about the bolters and flamers on cimaras turents then sice yea said nutting about that.
but my problems with this was maily to many vets i mean yoyu can gett more troops in ther with a Inf platoon. but keep in mind i hadent know you where from the UK i tought you had recantly picked up the game and i satered talking like an idiot. but still yea ever use Starker used him agenst grey knights and almost gave them a run for ther money. Then he died and things went south fast but that was gona happon even if he was still staneding.

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