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Post  ScottRadom on Mon Jul 07, 2008 10:07 pm

So I went ahead and jumped the gun and orderd myself a Death Korps of Krieg army today. It really started to add up and I didn't feel it was fair to let Robyn order that stuff incase things went bad. I remember all the other orders coming in pieces and people trying to track down Stash's titan torso etc. so I went ahead.

Anyway my goal is to have a 1500 point list to play in tournies and events and such. I still don't love the game, but the people playing are a good crowd and I have always loved the models. Especially those FW pieces! I want to use just the basic guard codex so I don't have to try and learn even more rules, and I also know I will never remember to explain new stuff to any opponents I have. So on to the project....

I ordered my HQ command 5 man jobber, I have the stuff for 2 min sized infantry platoons, a Lascannon heavy weapons platoon and a Autocannon hvy platoon. Also a 5 man roughrider platoon. And the ten man grenadier/Kasrkin squad. I want to keep in the theme of WWI style trench warfare/muddy industrial bases and weathering on the figs. My goal is to have all this completed by this time next year. We'll see how it goes!

-Any thoughts for Army list stuff I should work towards?

-Any thoughts

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Post  Administratum on Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:28 am

My thoughts are that this is totally awsome. I am happy to see that you are going to try and cross the borders into 40k, and it will hopefully inspire some of us to do the same and try out the fantasy game. I have wanted to do a fantasy army for a long time, but i just never seem to have the time. Maybe once this terrain project is over.
I am not familiar with the IG at all. To be honest with you though, i have been told it can be a tough list to win with using the current rules and codex. That may or may not change with the new rule book though. The one thing that i noticed was that you did not include any tanks. I assume that this is an oversight though. If you are going WWI artillery pieces might be better theme wise, but again with the new rules they will probably be a poor choice in terms of survivability because you cannot hide them. I have always thought that the leman russ annihilator was cool. Twin linked autocannons and 3 heavy bolters, it dosent matter if everyone gets a cover save with that kind of firepower. Having said that, the best overall tank in the list is probably still the standard russ. What else... I know that people say the sentinel is a fantastic fast attack choice, but it really dosent fit with the theme. IF i were you i would consider a hellhound.

If i diddnt mention it before, i also think that the death corps are some of forgeworlds best, and are fore sure the best guard models you can get.

You know what im really excited about though? I want to see your WWI death corps playing on this table!



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Re: Death Korps Project

Post  ScottRadom on Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:53 am

I love that table. What colors did you use to base it?

I will almost cetainly include some tanks, and I do have a standard Russ ready to paint. I won't use sentinel's due to the theme, and I didn't know if artillery pieces were standard guard fare or if ti was DKK specialty stuff from an Imperial Armor book. A Hellhound is a great idea!

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Post  System Commander on Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:18 am

Imperial Gaurd tanks will be pretty good in the new edition. Especially since all templates casue wounds now, none of this partial hits on a 4+. However, keep them away from getting assaulted since all attacks will go against the lovely 10 rear armor.

Big daddy on the block will be the Basilisk once again. Pick one up, modify it to your theme and you've got your big hitter. Other than that I think it's looking good.

There is a new Imperial Guard codex coming out soon, but I think it will be out before you get your army.. not sure if this will influence your decision or not. I cant see them changing anything you bought though.

That'll be one sweet army to play with.

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Post  Administratum on Tue Jul 08, 2008 5:48 pm

The table was base coated with Folk Art burnt umber (808). Its cheap craft paint, which most self respecting hobbyists would never put on a miniature, but if you dilute it enough its decent. To do the highlight i used Folk Art Coffee Bean (881). I found that you cannot highlight the burnt umber by adding white because it start to turn kinda grey, which detracts from the muddy look.

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Post  Veyure on Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:21 am

Im reall jealous of you. I was planning to order a DKK army about 6-8 months ago but i was in school with very little income. I was gonna go artil crazy with it but i couldn't convince my wife to spend 100$ or more on a single unit for my army. apparently her understanding only goes so far. Im looking forward to seeing the models though. good luck with all the painting.

And Cam, why haven't i seen this table before? Its amazing!

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Post  Administratum on Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:01 am

Thanks, glad you like. I posted it a ways back before there was allot of traffic on the site.

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Post  ScottRadom on Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:09 am

So I did a little work towards my goal of getting this army on the table. I had assambled a Russ a while ago because I wanted to build a tank. It's not neccesarily heavily in support of the theme I want to go for, and won't be sporting any of the cool FW Death Korps models (probably) but progress nevertheless! I basecoated the model with my airbrush. Over a black primer I sprayed an even coat of VJ German Grey


Followed by an overspray mostly covering the base coat of VJ Reflective Green



And finally a lighter overspray of VJ Green Grey.



So now I need to wait to get my decals from FW. In the mean time I can start testing some of the weathering on the underside of the hull and put the base coat on some of the detail pieces.

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Post  gluvzer on Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:08 am

Looks like a good start. Are you going to use the oil technique that you've been using on your FoW stuff for the weathering?

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Post  Administratum on Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:33 am

Id like to see that thing up close. Im curious about the difference it makes to put on 3 different colors as opposed to just one. I imagine you put the last one on lighter so you can see the others in the recesses?
Looks good though.

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Re: Death Korps Project

Post  ScottRadom on Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:15 am

LexMechanic wrote:Id like to see that thing up close. Im curious about the difference it makes to put on 3 different colors as opposed to just one. I imagine you put the last one on lighter so you can see the others in the recesses?
Looks good though.

It doesn't look like much yet, but the three layers will make a difference (I hope) once weathering takes place. It is much more noticeable in the flesh, but truthfully right now if you didn't know there were three layers you probably wouldn't have been able to geuss it was three layers. Also the difference in time from doing a single coat vs. 3 coats was only about 10-15minutes so I thought I'd give it a whirl.

I find if you just stick to a base coat over top of a primer you get a nice, really clean finish. Something similar to Dana's Ultramarines. It works in Dana's army as they're really nice clean models but if you're style is a little darker and dirtier on your brushwork then I think the tanks wouldn't fit in well with my other figs. I love indiviuality on models but I still like the entire force to look like a combined force united with the same painting style, basing etc. I have seen some beautifully airbrushed models combined with wonderfully painted infantry but the two don't seem to compliment one another. It would be like having one unit done in NMM and the rest in mettalics. I think anyway.

However, I have never finished a 40k force myself, I am no Airbrush wizard either. I am just sort of going of what I've seen at the out of town tournies etc. As an example at CompuSoft in Red Deer there is a Baneblade and perhaps a Shadowsword model in the display case. They're wonderfully painted, they would make any display case proud. Lots of talent put into them, but I really don't think they'd fit in amongst the terrain and other models of a 40k event. SO that's what I am hoping to avoid with multiple layers going from dark to light. We'll se if it pan's out I guess.

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Post  ScottRadom on Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:18 am

gluvzer wrote:Looks like a good start. Are you going to use the oil technique that you've been using on your FoW stuff for the weathering?

Yes I will be using multiple light coats of the Oil wash technique, plus I'm gonna try diluting some artists chalk in alcholol or turpentine like that smae dude suggested on the FoW site as well. I also bought a bunch of weathering stuff from those bastards at HobbyWorld (worst store ever!) that I will mess around with. I am looking forward to it, and the FW stuff went on to my credit card today so hopefully I won't have to wait an entire month for the stuff!

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Post  ScottRadom on Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:53 pm

Go forge world go!

WOWOWOWOW, I just received about half my order here at work, already! I placed the order on July 8th, at about 11pm our time and I just got a bunch of it NOW! It shipped july 9th!

I couldn't be more pleased with the models, but I am really blown away by how quick I got this portion of the stuff. Great job by them! Now I know what I'll be doing tonight. Maybe I'll show some of it off at the den for the 5th ed launch thingy Robyn is doing.

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Post  Administratum on Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:16 pm

That is amazing. I am starting to wonder if gw isnt going to turn this whole thing around. If you have time i would really like to see em up close tonight at the den.

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Post  gluvzer on Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:28 pm

You lucky bastard. It took FW 2 months with weekly pestering by me to send me the missing servo-skulls and purity seals from the last order I sent in. They must love you more. . . . . you've made me feel sad.

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Start of the first infantry squad July 11/08

Post  ScottRadom on Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:04 am

So as I said I'm pretty stoked that I got some of my stuff so early. 2 days after placing the order! I got my stuff home, dropped by the den to say hi to some peeps and then back to home to start working. Except I forgot my wife was going out tonight so I had to look after the two kids. Doesn't she understand that new FW toys should come first. So of course she went out to say goodbye to a friend that's leaving the country and I treated my kids to the WORST PARENTING IN THER HISTORY OF MAN!!! My 3 1/2 yr old son puked up an entire bag of Ketchup chips. I don't even know how he got those. I didn't give them to him. I actually think they could've been from the other night left over in the basement garbage. My daughter was crying because she was rolling around on the floor with nothing but her diaper on, which was full of piss, all mad because Baby Einstein wasn't playing. Friggin' Kids! The old man is busy! But at least I got some progress made on these bad boys....


It begins! Sweet models man.

So far so good. No problems, pinned to the base with a little green stuff and some GeeDub barbed wire...

And we hit our first snag! Major arm misfit. About a 1/8" gap betwen the left wrist and the sleeve. No problem, I'll try using that green stuff. So now I have officially done my first job with green stuff. When it's all done I think it'll look like.... somebody's first attempt at using green stuff. Ah well, some models have to go at the back of the unit and take the first bolter shell to the noodle. But first model and already problems. An omen?

And he's ready for a blast of the black primer! Hooray!



A couple alternate angles. Well that's it. It took way too long to put that first guy together. Mostly as I am new to this fiddly resin and the kids will not change their own diapers. Grow up already! Well it's 1:00am, and I got's to work tomorrow and as a bonus my daughter just cryed herself to sleep... finally! My kids got stamina, and maybe an instinctive hatred for my hobby. G'night internet.

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Post  Administratum on Sat Jul 12, 2008 9:29 am

Haha, nice write up. They are looking good, and nice work for your first time using green stuff. If i can give only 2 tips when working with gstuff they are to always use lots of water. I usually stick on a blob of putty in roughly the right shape, then get the modeling took wet and proceed to sculpt it into place. From what i can see it looks like you are already doing this though. The other tip i would give is to always mix more blue stuff then yellow. I cut the putty with equal amounts of yellow and blue, but then tear off a little yellow and toss it. This makes it less gummy and easier to work with. Oh and when you go to work with it, vut out the area where the blue and yellow meet as it will be hardened. I think that you must have done a little homework because it looks like you are doing most of this already. So yea, looks ace. I like the way the bases are looking. If you need any more barbed wire at some point let me know, i have a couple basing kits just sitting around.

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Post  ScottRadom on Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:18 am

LexMechanic wrote: I like the way the bases are looking. If you need any more barbed wire at some point let me know, i have a couple basing kits just sitting around.

Yes I'm sure I could use some more barbed wire. Let's do a swap! What would you like?

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Post  Administratum on Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:53 pm

I really dont know. Right now all my energy is going into the terrain, so im not in need of bits which would be the obvious trade for the wire. Maybe some marine stuff as i am planning on marines of some kind in the future, so long as it dosent have chapter specific marking on it.

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Post  ScottRadom on Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:26 pm

I could always trade you terrain stuff too. Or cash.

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Post  Administratum on Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:12 pm

Give me a shout if you have time. 955-2797
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Starting to paint

Post  ScottRadom on Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:58 pm

So I picked a scheme for the bases. VMC German Cam Black-Brown drybrushed FD Adeptus Battlegrey, then FD Khemri Brown followed by a Devlan Brown wash. Barbed wire is just chainmail with 1 wash each of black and brown. I tried to test two coat color schemes. I tried sort or a civil war style Blue, but went for an amercian civil war style grey instead. Here's what I got so far...

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Post  gluvzer on Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:09 pm

From what I can see, I think the grey looks better. But I may have to see them in person before I finalize that. Can't wait to see some finished models though. Keep pumped on this project cause it is going to look fantastic.

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Post  ScottRadom on Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:59 pm

gluvzer wrote:From what I can see, I think the grey looks better. But I may have to see them in person before I finalize that. Can't wait to see some finished models though. Keep pumped on this project cause it is going to look fantastic.

The Grey is way better. The blue was my initial thought but just doesn't look at all like what I want to run around on the tabletop. It's slow going though, the amount of detail is retarded for RnF figs. I really don't want to rush them either. Should be finished in time for 6th ed to come out.

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One down

Post  ScottRadom on Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:34 am

So after fiddling forever to find a scheme I could live with, and a few re-starts I finished my first guardsman. I'm pretty happy with the work, but this is a long, long, long term project!




Man, until I saw the pictures I didn't notice how badly the left arm needed to have the mold lines filed off. Oops, I'll have to keep an eye out for that. Sorry about the lighting. I'm no pro, and these were taken at the dining room table, which is where I will be painting until the kids grow up and I can go back to having a dedicated space for my stuff. So one down, many, many to go!

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