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how will your CSM fair with a new dex

Post  Selik on Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:34 pm

So how will my CSM army of the now look after the new dex. Will my army list be torn to bits with more cost to make it playable again? I understand that the current book requires updating, but how much of an overhaul do they need to the codex(stupid question)? Once again it seems that GW wants to make the $$$$ with players having to purchase new units to make what they have playable again.

With rumors flying around of the Chaos legions new codex. I started thinking, how will my CSM army look when that new book comes out. the rumors seem to point that my mostly khorne army will have to become a completely khorne army, no mixing up the army with other legions. So what am I to do with couple of squads of emperors children or single squad of CSM. Am I to retire these soon to be "extra" squads as I will not have enough to viably field them? I have hopes that I will be able to combine my various CSM legions in one army as I do now.

I know that with a new book I would have to make changes to my current list and even tactics. But if it is to much of a change for my list to work, such as purchasing more than a unit or two I am thinking that my CSM army will make it to the chopping block and go up for sale.

Perhaps the rumors out there are just that, only rumors and not the truth. The release of the codex is still far enough off that there is still plenty of time for many new rumors to come about. And the questions regarding how my CSM army will look after the codex comes are still yet to be answered and most likey will not be answered until it is released.

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Re: how will your CSM fair with a new dex

Post  System Commander on Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:28 pm

From what I can tell.. you're going to have the option to field a straight legion specific like in the great ol' days.. or you'll be able to continue to field the mix/mash when the current book gets a "white dwarf" update.

I think you'll have more fun playing a legion specific army though. I've got a worldeater version of neraly everything in the current codex.. so luckily for me I should be more or less set no matter what. .. although I might need a new dreadnought... and if the rumours hold up possibly this new flyer

Ive got a couple plague marine units, a rhino and a few oblits nurgle themed.. but Ill have no problem shelving them to play a straight worldeaters list. And hey, if they're releasing new models for some lords and even Berserkers, I could definitely pony up the dough for that.

Im pretty darn excited about being to field a khorne army again... Im really just hoping for a decent chaos lord, a revamp on the possessed, and some nice beenfits for Khorne terminators. .. and of cours,e summoned real bloodletters back in the mix.

Again, lots of rumours at thie point but for me.. its all pointing in the right direction. Think of it this way though.. things go out usage, then 2-3 codexes later comeback in.. 10 years from now you'll be laughing!




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Re: how will your CSM fair with a new dex

Post  Roland on Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:49 pm

Selik: Rumors are also floating that hot on the heels of the "Codex: Chaos Legions" will be "Codex: Renegades", which will cover things such as Red Corsairs, Lost and the Damned(!?) and Traitor Guard. The one rumor mill I read said the power level of renegade Space marines will be about equal to the current dex, while Chaos Legions (ie. in the ass-kicking business for 10K years, AND BUSINESS IS GOOD) will be closer to Grey Knights.

From everything I've seen if you have a viable list now, it'll work. If you HAD a viable list that got nerfed when the 4.5 dex came out (Emp. Children anybody?), it should be viable under the new one.

The only thing anyone should be wary of, is a new supa-awesome-killa unit that wasn't there before.

Now if they'll just erreta all the Loyalist SM codexes and fix Dark Angels:)

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Post  dusktiger on Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:10 am

well, the same rumor mills talking about the chaos books are also saying the first loyalist codex for 6th will be the dark angels. i can just hear ben squealing with utter nerdgasmic joy over the possibilities that maybe, MAYBE, belail wont suck so hardcore anymore. and that they make it possible to mix deathwing, ravenwing, and normal companies into a mixed list that works, rather than force the player to pick one style only.

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Re: how will your CSM fair with a new dex

Post  Timbo on Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:16 am

Well, if the Necron book is any example expect the units that were good before to suck and the sucky ones to become good. It's how you get existing CSM players to buy more models instead of working with what they have. I predict Thousand Sons and Noise Marines will be playable again. Would be nice to have more than one build for CSM for a change.

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Re: how will your CSM fair with a new dex

Post  Rhaevyn on Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:09 am

I'm expecting to have to shell out for new characters and at least one new vehicle type.

I figure the new book will be much like what they've done with marines (chapter Tactics) and necrons (phaeron specialization) to an extent. Base units that can be changed/upgraded based on a codex entry, be it a special character that makes heavy support into troops for Iron warriors, or a lordly icon/gear/relic/upgrade that makes your berzerkers just a pinch better than normal for world eaters (and restricts you to one Heavy weapons selection.)

As for the rumor that chaos legions will be on par with grey knights and renegades equal to what it is now...? thats hogwash. No codex dev sets out to make a book that's just hands down worse than another book. Its just incompetency and escalation that does that, as each new writer set out to make his entry cooler than the last... until Gav gets a hold of it and decides that its got out of hand and writes some complete garbage to make up for it.

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Re: how will your CSM fair with a new dex

Post  Roland on Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:04 am

Should clarify. Your basic CSM from Legions w/ be on par with a GK, its meant to be an elite of the elite army. Your basic CSM from renegades will be on par with how they are now, about equal to a Grey Hunter.

The mandate on the development of the last codex came down from JJ. CSM was the first codex after Dark Angel (written by JJ himself) and the "less is more" idea. Then... They quit:/

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Re: how will your CSM fair with a new dex

Post  Rhaevyn on Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:47 am

aha. i miss-interpreted you. apologies!

TBH i just want them to be costed out correctly. I'm actually mostly happy with the current codex, a WD article or faq reducing the points cost of most units and adding some missing crap (say HIT AND RUN on RAPTORS?!) would suit me just fine.

Personally i find the legions to be limiting and unrealistic as presented in fluff. Khorne cares not weather skulls are taken with a chain axe ... or sheared off by a lascannon.


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Re: how will your CSM fair with a new dex

Post  Roland on Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:18 pm

No worries, I wasn't real clear in the first place.

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Post  Commander James of the Ul on Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:23 pm

Ugh I wish GW would leave a good thing alone. Grey Knights are one of a kind. If you want a shit load of force weapons and a lot of basic shoota stuff? GO GREY KNIGHT. I have no problem with the dammed traitorous bastards having an Elite force just hope it isn't an exact copy of my knights. And no switching names around that just will not do. Maybe give the legion basic troop just a power weapon with a WS 5 and a bolt pistol so they can get a plus 1 base attack. As long as the points are representative that would be a totally AWESOME army to field.

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Re: how will your CSM fair with a new dex

Post  System Commander on Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:32 pm

They definitely wont be like grey knights in terms of rules, but what beau meant was that they are gearing the legioms book towarss a small elite force.. similar to Gk. Afterall, the vets of thechaos legions have been fightiing for thousands of years.

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Re: how will your CSM fair with a new dex

Post  Selik on Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:44 pm

I think I would be happy myself if they just changed up point costs a bit.

I just have a feeling that this is going to be a big change. With not really knowing what is going to be included in the renegades book and how the seperate legions will look.

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Post  System Commander on Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:32 pm

I can definitely understand the apprehension about a new book.. but truthfully I hope they adjust everything in the book.. rules, points, breakdowns, options, everything. There are very few things in the codex right now that I would say are really useful.. based on the points.. but even besides the points.. things got dumbed down so much. I want daemonic gifts back, different summoned daemons, Daemon princes that are diifferent, fast moving berserkers, and most of all the army options. I was right on the verge of starting an alpha legion when the new book cam eout and killed it. I really wanted spome stealthing marines with a healthy horde off cultists... but had to axe it. I dont know even know the last time I saw an Iron Warriors amy hit the table.

Definitely not trying to convince anyone of it, but I am really excited about the new chaos book. .. welll, all three actually.. legions, renegades and daemons if thats what the plan is.

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Re: how will your CSM fair with a new dex

Post  Rhaevyn on Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:28 am

I can see legions and demons. i wouldn't hold my breath for a renegades book. i just don't see enough material to make it happen. especially when it would be just as easy to use a loyalist codex and add some devilish laughs and curly mustaches.

Of course, they are slightly in love with Huron, so perhaps we will get a Space Pirates book, arrrr!

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