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3100pt Apoc Game Marines vs Space Wolves

Post  dusktiger on Sun Aug 14, 2011 1:17 am

hey guys, played a 3000pt apoc game today, and managed to actually remember the camera and do a batrep!

this is my scorpions (a lot of stuff that's not painted over yet) vs Space Wolves:

My Deployment



Space Wolves Deployment



Turn 1 Results



Turn 2 Results



Turn 3 Results



Turn 4 Results



Turn 5 Results



Turn 6 Results


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Re: 3100pt Apoc Game Marines vs Space Wolves

Post  System Commander on Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:22 pm

Heya, good work on the battle report. The video is a bit on the scratchy side, but I'm guessing you were filming and recording with your iphone or blackberry? For one of those though, it was pretty damn good.

I do have a question though.. this seems like a pretty bizarre apocalypse game. I didnt see any strategems, apoc units or any objectives. It seemed just like a regular 3100 point game.. ?

What was Dan doing in this game?? I'll have to give him a poke. He had no long range shooting at all.. 3100 points, he needs at least two units of longfangs. 2 landraiders cant help you out at 3100 points.. Did Njal get any powers going? And sending the Thunderwolves against the Dreads.. .. ! ? And what happened to half the thunderwolves after the first turn? You guys just sort of glazed on a bunch dissapeared.. those are some tough dudes to just dissapear.

Great battle report though.. thanks for taking the effort and time to post this up.

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Post  dusktiger on Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:42 pm

The video is a bit on the scratchy side, but I'm guessing you were filming and recording with your iPhone or blackberry? For one of those though, it was pretty damn good.

actually its done on a real camera, and the video quality in the original files is excellent; when i re-posted into YouTube, i re-sized down to 320x240, and that caused the graininess. that way it would post in 5 minutes, instead of 54 minutes per video.

I do have a question though.. this seems like a pretty bizarre apocalypse game. I didn't see any stratagems, Apocalypse units or any objectives. It seemed just like a regular 3100 point game.. ?

I've found that usually, formations are a waste of points; you take these takes and pay extra points to get a special rule for them, and then it only takes 1 to be blown up to lose that rule. IE, the vindicator formation; most people will only ever own 3 of these, but if you lose 1, they lose their super-shot. you need to field them in 4s or 5s to make the formation useful. several other formations are the same due to them adding a minimum unit clause to the special rule they gain for being a formation. and lets not get into the "joys" of squadrons, which several formations make your tanks into. just ask Dan how fun having your squads of tanks shot is. Razz

all in all, for the cost i save in not taking them as a formation, i can usually field more units or wargear. that said, there's also a lack of good formations utilizing bikers and speeders, or in dan's case, grey hunters and wolf guard.

What was Dan doing in this game?? I'll have to give him a poke. He had no long range shooting at all.. 3100 points, he needs at least two units of longfangs. 2 landraiders cant help you out at 3100 points.. Did Njal get any powers going? And sending the Thunderwolves against the Dreads.. .. ! ? And what happened to half the thunderwolves after the first turn? You guys just sort of glazed on a bunch dissapeared.. those are some tough dudes to just dissapear.

He made this list all of 3 minutes before we started playing. so yea, there was a general lacking of thought into what's going to be best. He loaded up on the wrong type of special weapons on his grey hunters for what he was expecting me to field; he knows i like dreads and in apoc, i tend to field a few. He was actually expecting me to field the Hextad of the Ancients formation from IA:10. the 2 raiders are bad choices, yes, but he also chose crusaders because they can actually hold an IC and the number of wolf guard termies he wanted in each. Njal only managed living lightning (USELESS POWER!!!) and caused people to be -1 BS within 24" of him. yea, he was fail this time. The wolves "sorta" went after the dreads. it was more i was gonna charge next turn, so better to charge me first and make me lose my charging bonus. plus he had melta bombs on that unit, and not a damn thing else in his list apart from 2 thunderhammers on wolf guard were gonna pen the new dreads with FA13, SA12, RA11, and no double-dice rolls allowed. and had i remembered i had a 5++ in shooting and 6++ in combat, he'd of done even worse against them. if you ask him, he will tell you outright that the Contemptor Dreads are what made that game hell for him.

as for the wolves disappearing, that was to a barrage of Melta guns, Plasma Guns, alot of TL Bolters, and a couple Multimeltas. i got lucky on my rolls and did enough to wipe out 6 of the guys. and your right, they are toughness 5, wounds 2, but when you hit them with so many AP 2 and 1 weapons, and a Thunderfire Cannon barrage, they take wounds fast and they add up.

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Re: 3100pt Apoc Game Marines vs Space Wolves

Post  System Commander on Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:52 am

Ahh, ok.. that makes sense. He should have slapped some storm shields in there.. every guy can take one I believe.. ? So quite a few should really have one in a regular formation to absorb those shots. Thats alot of points to have dissapear on the first turn.

But, Im still confused over the "apocalypse" game.. it didnt seem like an apocalypse game. There was no bidding for first turn, the big deployment zones with a small chunk of no mans land..and the strategems! Thats the most defining part about playing an Apoc game.. aside from the lack of force org and the ability to field super heavies.

I think there are some fantastic apocalypse formations, and none of the ones Ive ever played with cease functioning after one vehicle has dies. Yeah, some of them are craptastic and they created them to give people an excuse to buy 9 vindicators.. but there are sooo many that its not hard to find some damn good ones. Ive played with the Berserker one a few times.. Rain of Gore I think.. Ive used the Chaos Enclave, the Chaos Terminator one whose name escapes me, (but.. dropping 15 terminmators on the table all at once.. damn that is beyond entertaining) the Doomsday Device, the Obliterator one, the Eversor Assassin formations.. and of course, the Baneblade for 500 points.. Id use the Baneblade in regualr games if I could.. it that fantastic. But really, if your gonna play an Apoc game, there are some awesome things to take, even if your sticking in your army choice. Like, the Space Marine masters one, I cant remember what its called but youy get the Master ofthe Forge, Master of the Fleet.. etc. That one is also great.. you get free strategems with each guy you take.

But.. alot of formations are completely useless if your not playing with strategems..




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Re: 3100pt Apoc Game Marines vs Space Wolves

Post  Guest on Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:17 pm

That video game review was a really cool idea. I havn't seen that before (well I have with stills but thats different).

And those Contemptor Dreads really did seem to take the whole table. What exactly are they over a regular dreadnaught? +1 S, 13AV front, and +1 I or something?

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Post  dusktiger on Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:10 pm

A codex dread gets 12 front and side armor, 10 for rear. He has str6, maxed to 10 due to CCW.
An ironclad bumps the armor to 13 front and side.

Contemptors make it 13 front 12 side 11 rear. Plus a 5+ invul to shooting attacks, a 6+ invul in melee, and do not allow 2D6 rolls to pen on them, and ignore the Lance rule. So your average krak grenade does nothing. Only squads equiped with melta bombs, powerfists, chainfists, and thunderhammers can hurt them in melee.
In shooting, this now means that against front armor, you must always roll 1d6 for meltas, and have to roll a 5 just to glance. And lascannons only get a 50/50 odds to do anything. Its not a nice dread to see, and its scary having a horde of them chase you down.

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Re: 3100pt Apoc Game Marines vs Space Wolves

Post  Guest on Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:54 pm

If I said interseyting battle id be lieing. And it probly was intresting, but half way thorough the frist vidio my ADD kicked in and i decided to do something else. Im probly gona skip depoyment vidios next time.

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Post  System Commander on Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:34 pm

That's funny.. I do the exact same thing half way through most of your posts..



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Re: 3100pt Apoc Game Marines vs Space Wolves

Post  dusktiger on Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:32 pm

lmao. nice. ^5

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Post  Roland on Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:51 pm

Robyn, you missed the big Apoc game we ran to start things off. Dan vs Mike and me. 8000 pts a side. 2 Battle companies, Masters of the chapter, hextad of the ancients, an amoured spearhead, a linebreaker squadron, the terminator one where they are basically shot in on a missle?... oh and 2 fortresses of redemption and all the cityfight terrain we have down there. Pretty sweat, I think we have pics, somewhere. Oh and a nice video from where one of my landspeeders shrugged off a full turn of firepower from Dan's army.

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Post  System Commander on Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:04 pm

That sounds like a Apocalypse.. I was just confused by this one.. like I said, it seemed like a regular game, just 3100 points.

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Post  Guest on Tue Aug 16, 2011 11:42 pm

dusktiger wrote:A codex dread gets 12 front and side armor, 10 for rear. He has str6, maxed to 10 due to CCW.
An ironclad bumps the armor to 13 front and side.

Contemptors make it 13 front 12 side 11 rear. Plus a 5+ invul to shooting attacks, a 6+ invul in melee, and do not allow 2D6 rolls to pen on them, and ignore the Lance rule. So your average krak grenade does nothing. Only squads equiped with melta bombs, powerfists, chainfists, and thunderhammers can hurt them in melee.
In shooting, this now means that against front armor, you must always roll 1d6 for meltas, and have to roll a 5 just to glance. And lascannons only get a 50/50 odds to do anything. Its not a nice dread to see, and its scary having a horde of them chase you down.

That sounds harder to take down than a monolith! whats the point cost on those things? 200 each or something?

@Robyn: Apoclypse is just a format for ignoring the Force Org chart and allowing the use of fancy models (like Baneblades and such). The book also happens to present optional rules of using exactly 6 objectives places in special areas; and allowing things like stratagems and formations.

so it can be 3000 points over Kill Point count, or 40 000 points over a single objective

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Post  dusktiger on Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:39 am

175pts is the base cost so far for the contemptor

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Post  Guest on Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:56 am

Cool, would you be up for 3000 of Red Scorpions vs my Khorne Warband; WYSIWYG, with lists; and I'll even roll other dice if you feel necessary

Not necessarily sometime soon, but I like breaking out my Hellhammer from time to time.

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Post  dusktiger on Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:31 am

Possibly, but not anytime soon for me either; in between the games for our badab campaign, and attempting to paint my own army, da bear commissioned me to paint a thunderhawk for his space wolves, so my free timwe for other games has been limited. And now that I have these awesome new resin bases for my grey knight force, the thunderhawk is glaring at me with threats of "paint me first or I shall hellstrike missile your new bases"

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Post  Guest on Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:35 pm

Oh ya, between the tourney and school starting I have no time right now either for a game that long. I was wondring about in a month or two.

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