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Upcoming League Format

Post  System Commander on Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:35 pm

I'm looking for the next league start-up to happen around March 18th.

What I'm looking from you guys is some input how you like to see it run. I plan on using the Battle Missions book for scenarios as soon as it comes out, although I'm going to have to have a better look at it.

That being said, how would you oike to see the next league run? Vote!

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Post  System Commander on Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:53 pm

So, as the above poll lists out, whats your preference for the next league?

The two main options are the same as we just ran, or back to the old way. The old way was jsut setting up games, whatever type of game you want, points, etc. and you get set points for a win, loss or draw. At the end of the league, the players with the most points go into the playoffs.

We have run escaltion legues in the past, and I know alot of people actual like playing smaller points values (750-1000) and alot of people don't. SO thats a mixed bag, and I'm sure if were redy for another excalation quite yet.

The other options up top are variations of the previous formats, but limiting the games to two per week. Now, you can of course play more, but your top 2 results would be recorded for the week.

Feel free to vote and discuss on this thread. I'd love to hear everyones ideas. Keep in mind I['m trying to keep things fairly simple, so no campaign, maps, etc. We'll have to keep it to a points type of format of some sort for ease of recording.

As well, there a very good chance I'll be taking Jim up on his offer of point recording.

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Re: Upcoming League Format

Post  Paz on Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:59 pm

ooh, hard choice. I was torn between 3 and 5, but i would love the excuse to paint 250 per week on my nids. 3 it is!

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Post  smackman on Thu Feb 25, 2010 3:22 pm

I'd like to see another escalation league but with the limiting the games to your best 2 results per week or even just your best result in a week, really like playing some of the smaller points games though, they're quick and playing 1500-2000 all the time gets old, I'm REALLY excited for the new scenarios too. Would like to see option 3 with limits though, as Paz said I want to paint up models as I go so escalation really gives me time to do that and a challenge to paint 250 every 2 weeks.

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Post  Guest on Thu Feb 25, 2010 3:49 pm

Is there a cap for escalation?

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Post  ice on Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:52 am

I agree with both Tom and Pascal. and i agree with the one or two games counting, which should be noted in the challenge post i think.

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Post  Terran on Fri Feb 26, 2010 4:32 pm

I must echo the previous sentiments. Escalation allows you to build the army as we go. I also like the idea of the best result counting for the week, or the best two results.

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Post  Guest on Fri Feb 26, 2010 9:01 pm

HolyCause wrote:Is there a cap for escalation?
I forgot to ask this question in the last post... do people get penalized/denied by not playing in lower point games?

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Re: Upcoming League Format

Post  Paz on Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:38 pm

Well, if you don't play a low points game, you just don't get points, and don't go up in standings. you have to play at the points level we are at. If you want to play higher, you just can't use that win/loss towards your league score.

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Post  Guest on Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:24 am

Imma not cast a vote, but I am interested in what seems to be a concensus of an escalation league but where only 1-2 games per week count.

Also, could the scenarios NOT be the ones out of the 5th ed book (killpoints or objectives....) a little more variety is more fun in my opinion

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Post  System Commander on Sat Feb 27, 2010 1:22 am

If it was escalation, it would start at 500 points and last for two weeks. Then go up to 750 and go for another two weeks, 1000, two weeks.. etc. until we got two 2000 points. The league would end up going for 14 weeks this way.

As for scenarios, I'd have a list for the lower point games (500-750, $0k in a Flash type rules) but plan on recommending the Battle missions book when it's out. That being said, you've never been restricted to using the rulebooks scenarios in any league games, you can play any scenario you want if your opponent is game.

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Post  Guest on Sat Feb 27, 2010 3:39 pm

That being said, you've never been restricted to using the rulebooks scenarios in any league games, you can play any scenario you want if your opponent is game. [/color][/quote]
awesome i will just buy the book then whenever i have a game, we can use one of those senorios Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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Post  Guest on Sat Feb 27, 2010 7:43 pm

I don't want to sound like a "winning is what matters" guy, but I am curious how the escalation league (Which is far in the lead) would play out in terms of placement/tournament/etc... set points for winning like the 'old way', various points dependant on size of game?

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Post  Paz on Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:05 pm

I think the idea is 2 games that can possibly be recorded every week (or 2 weeks). There is still points for a win/loss/tie, you just keep your army size to the size per 2 weeks, so 500, 750, 1000 etc. We've done the "2 a week" before, and it helps, stops someone who has lost 60 times, beat out someone who has won 15 times, because of weight of games.

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Post  System Commander on Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:52 pm

Yup, it would be same to the older format.

You'd play yourgame at that assigned point value for two weeks. You report your games the same as before, except you will only report a major/minor win or loss or a draw, and then bonus points that I'll come up with. More than likely it will be the typical bonus for a fully painted force, and then might differ dpeending which scenario your playing.

At the end of the leagie, the top players in points will go into playoffs.

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Post  Guest on Sun Feb 28, 2010 2:10 pm

Paz wrote:Well, if you don't play a low points game, you just don't get points, and don't go up in standings. you have to play at the points level we are at. If you want to play higher, you just can't use that win/loss towards your league score.
I think that's a little unfair, as some armies tend to do better at lower points levels than others. Once it hits 1 500 things start to even out enough where it isn't that big of a deal, and again when it goes past 2 000 things get a bit wonky (but we're not going that high, so... Very Happy ).

An averaging system would be nifty, if combined with the "2 a week" sorta thing. Where if one played 1 game under X points but then did 3 games under X+250 points, the third (or lowest) of the latter wouldn't be worth as much as it would be if it were done under X points. Say, half as much, since it wasn't played in the bracket it was intended to be.


Also, at the lower points values (<1 000), would a full 6x4 table be used?


Also, could the scenarios NOT be the ones out of the 5th ed book (killpoints or objectives....) a little more variety is more fun in my opinion
Kinda feeling this; the only standard mission in the 5th ed rulebook that's worthwhile is d3+2 objectives. However, I wasn't aware we could use any mission type in a league game, so that's pretty sweet. 5x5, here I come Very Happy

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Post  smackman on Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:57 pm

I'm so pumped for the new scenario book it's not even funny. I like the idea of an averaging system or maybe a win loss average like number of wins divided by number of games with a minimum of ten games played to make playoffs so that you can't play 1 win and keep 100% record. As for the issue of unbalanced below 1500 I'm inclined to agree however I won 750 games with my necrons and they're a points heavy army. It's still merely an opinion however since if you ask in north America the balance point is 2000 but in Europe it's 1500 and they swear that 2000 is unbalanced. But changing it to win loss means if you don't play at low points it's not a big deal.

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Post  Guest on Sun Feb 28, 2010 5:12 pm

smackman wrote:I won 750 games with my necrons and they're a points heavy army.
Aye, been there, barely done that. I find it's either:

A) the Necrons scrape a victory through
B) the Necrons get rolled so hard some soothing cream is required after. lol

most necron games are like that, though. but they definitely get shafted hardcore at <1500 and >2000. However, I think we only have two necron players (smackman and I)?

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Post  System Commander on Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:55 pm

40k in a flash games (500-750) are played on a 4x4 table. We wont be using an averaging system either for games. I like to keep things as simple as possible for ease of reporting, recording, etc.

We've ran escalation leagues 3-4 times over the past few years and never had a problem with and specific army at the different points values. Some armies may have an advantage due too vehicles, numbers, etc. especially the newer armies, but for the league you'll have to choose if you want to make that sacrifice.

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Re: Upcoming League Format

Post  smackman on Sun Feb 28, 2010 11:58 pm

I'll play in the league regardless, but I'd like to limit the games played and drop the minor victory stuff and go straight with the battle missions book because it's freaking awesome.

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Re: Upcoming League Format

Post  Veyure on Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:01 am

i've played flash games with thousand sons and got stomped, but once the points grow a bit those losses didnt really matter as i made playoffs still. low point games should be seen as a challenge for those expensive armies. don't complain every time something doesnt give you an easier time. take the challenges as they are and try your best. or if you cant stomach the loss before you even get to the table, then maybe you should play something that isnt 40k.

Also i like tom's idea and drop minor wins. victory or defeat are the only results in war.

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Re: Upcoming League Format

Post  Guest on Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:31 am

HolyCause wrote:
smackman wrote:I won 750 games with my necrons and they're a points heavy army.
Aye, been there, barely done that. I find it's either:

A) the Necrons scrape a victory through
B) the Necrons get rolled so hard some soothing cream is required after. lol

most necron games are like that, though. but they definitely get shafted hardcore at <1500 and >2000. However, I think we only have two necron players (smackman and I)?
make that 3 haha im the third loser ha

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Post  Guest on Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:26 pm

40k in a flash for 500-750.. so those rules will be in effect for the first 4 weeks? (no 2+ saves, no model with 3 or more wounds, total armour value 13, etc)

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Post  Guest on Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:29 pm

Jemal wrote:40k in a flash for 500-750.. so those rules will be in effect for the first 4 weeks? (no 2+ saves, no model with 3 or more wounds, total armour value 13, etc)

**do you mean total AV 33 or less?

Also, isnt it only 1 troop and 0 HQ required also.. Since some armies like Chaos dont have HQ's under 3 wounds anymore

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Re: Upcoming League Format

Post  Paz on Mon Mar 01, 2010 3:56 pm

Canadin= correct and correct, that is how we played it last time. Means though that nids now can pretty much only use genestealers, as all synapse are now 3 wounds...

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