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Post  Veyure on Sat Oct 03, 2009 6:54 am

Well i was playing at the den last night while joe and tyson were playing there league final. One thing i have to bring up was all the table talk. the game had a few spectators but they were trying to play the game themselves. One phrase to these people, "Shut Up."

When playing tabletop games on strategy it is important to make the right choices at the right time and to not forget certain rules they may be used to your advantage. To win a game these things are important. However it is in reality impossible to remember everything and to even just plainly forget to move a unit or something like that. During an important game like a league playoff game or tournament game there is a prize at stake and people get competetive. You should not stand over a table and continually tell a player that he "should not do this but do this instead because it'll be more effective." also if he forgets to move a unit or forgets a rule that might allow him to make a better maeuver then don't tell him during the game because that is his loss. Mention it afterward to be a nice guy though.

Last night joe was at a disadvantage because he was not just playing against one opponent's mind but several. I asked him about it afterward and he said he didn't want to be rude to the new people in the league so didn't say anything. Well, mext time guys if you can't resist wanting to play the game for your friend then just stay home and read the game review.

By the way, tyson congrats on the league win. I am not trying to take away from it in any way. you had a strong list.

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Post  ScottRadom on Sat Oct 03, 2009 7:54 am

Oh man! Stash used to be the worst at that! It's been an issue for me a few times as well. Good point Gregs.

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Post  gluvzer on Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:56 am

Well put Greg. That's too bad, because Robyn even addressed this a bit before the final.

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Post  Administratum on Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:58 am

I agree, this issue is a common one, and needs to be brought up regularly for all the people who are unfamiliar with league etiquette.

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Re: Table talk/coaching

Post  Guest on Sat Oct 03, 2009 1:13 pm

If they ask for help with a rule, then help'em out. Otherwise keep out of it.

The fantasy league final was there last night too. The players asked me to set up the terrain for the game in an objective manner, I did so. They asked me a couple times about a rules question, I tried to help them out.

In the immortal words of Scorched Earth:
No kibitzing!

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Post  System Commander on Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:08 pm

Yeah, it happened for about half a second during our game but I mentioned right off there is be no talking.. watching... sure.. talk to other people around, sure.. but not about the game at all. I also mentioned it on the board here... so if it was happening at the final game, I'm a bit dissapointed.

If this begins to happen to again, I'll definitely have consider placing a 10ft. safe zone or similar rule. Guys, dont make me put up a barrier. Its very distracting to have anyone standing talking to you while your playing.. or even standing around talking to other people.

I should also mention that I dont believe helping, table talking, etc. should be going at any time in the league. Let the players play their game. If something loooks really weird and your not sure.. ask your opponent to clarify it, show you the rule, etc. If someone else is around you can ask them.. but otherwise try to let the guys play their game out.

Tyson did have people standing around and wanting to help, but he definitely needed no help at all. We had a couple rules things come up, we looked them up, clarified it and were on our way. Maybe Ill talk to Darren about installing some bleachers....

Let the guys play own game.


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Post  Guest on Sat Oct 03, 2009 7:14 pm

Okay, first off, before I say anything I'd like to appologize to Joe if he felt at all that I or anyone else was interfering in his game. Joe is one of the best players/nicest people I've met since we started attending league matches and I was actually kind of rooting for him so that Tyson wouldn't be as insufferable as he currently is. =.=; The above post is pretty much just about me (Both Jim and Randy tended to be very good at keeping quiet.)

Please feel free to tell me to shut up if my mouth is ever running faster than my brain. The group of us pretty much taught ourselves the rules from the ground up, so its second nature to just correct someone when they make a rules error. (Not that Joe made more than I think... one the entire game. ^_^)

From now on I'll just make sure to bring an opponent and just check back periodically out of curiocity. =)

That all said, I will admit to being a little insulted. Veyure makes it sound like I was standing over the table saying "Move here." "Shoot that." through the whole game, and while I will admit to having screwed up in regards to shutting up, I really do resent the idea that I was coaching. Tyson can play his own army way better than I could, and a good many of my comments were things that actually benefitted Joe (The sword of silence is mastercrafted damnit!). I'm stupid, not a cheat.

Short version? Sorry again if I bugged you at all Joe. If it is indeed the case, I owe you ribs/a drink/letting you give me a swift kick in the head. No malice there, I'm just dumb.

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Post  System Commander on Sat Oct 03, 2009 7:27 pm

There's a lot of new people around, and we definitely have to remember that not everyone is use to playing in a league.

Truthfully, it usually doesn't bother me until it's at a tournament or during our humble playoffs. It's actually really nice to have alot of people around, checking out armies, asking questions, etc. It's a good community type feeling, and we all feed off each others motivation if were showing up each week with a new painted mini, a new unit, or even a new army.

These things will continue to come up in the future as new people come in and old people go out, so we have to keep reminding the new guys about this.. they may not know or like Caros mentioned, they are so used to bugging each other, it might be second nature.

We have to do our part to give each other reminders, and new members have to do their best to try and be aware of it.

Like Caros said though, Tyson knows his army inside and out and better than anyone else that was around, so lets not be to harsh with the new guys.. and to add what Scott said.. Stash has been helping my opponents for years now.. Smile

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Post  Guest on Sun Oct 04, 2009 7:52 am

good thing i left because if it wasnt for other people telling what to do, im pretty sure i would have never won a game. Very Happy
but more seriously well put greg

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Re: Table talk/coaching

Post  Lord_Commander_Stash on Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:20 pm

ScottRadom wrote:Oh man! Stash used to be the worst at that! It's been an issue for me a few times as well. Good point Gregs.

I only coach the worst of the worst players against Scott so he can savour such a stinky defeat!

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